Healing Incement 7 for Bards and other classes

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stickupkid

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I just got Clockwork Robe yesterday, with the Groupheal proc, and I tried to search on wiki for any kind of HI7 item that is Bard usable without any luck.

Wiki is most likely not complete, but as it looks there currently is no HI7 item for bards, all other classes seem to be able to get that focus some way, just not bards. Even Shadowknights can use "Gloves of Care" to get that focus effect, although I have to admit they seem to suck for SK.

I wanted to ask if anyone maybe does know a HI7 item I could use as bard, and as I think there is none, request for more HI7 items (not only for bard, but also SKs and other classes) to be added.

Many people (at least in the higher end) have some kind of heal clicky and/or proc, there are quite a few items out that can heal one way or the other, but there seems to be a lack of HI7 items for non priest-classes.

My idea would be (just one example, which I think would fit good) to make like "Bracer of Forgotten Battles" usable by War, Pal, SK, Bard too .. or maybe even to make it all/all, the class composition on it it already pretty wide spread amongs the melee/hybrid classes, just plate classes are missing.
 
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stickupkid said:
I just got Clockwork Robe yesterday, with the Groupheal proc, and I tried to search on wiki for any kind of HI7 item that is Bard usable without any luck.
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Why would bards need HI7? They have no heal spells to apply it on, so why, really? For procs? lol.

stickupkid said:
Wiki is most likely not complete, but as it looks there currently is no HI7 item for bards, all other classes seem to be able to get that focus some way, just not bards. Even Shadowknights can use "Gloves of Care" to get that focus effect, although I have to admit they seem to suck for SK.
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Wiki is complete on that matter from what I can tell (wich means there might be something in UC wich I'm not aware off - the rest I know).

stickupkid said:
I wanted to ask if anyone maybe does know a HI7 item I could use as bard, and as I think there is none, request for more HI7 items (not only for bard, but also SKs and other classes) to be added.
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Again. WHY? BARDS DO NOT CAST HEALS, THEY DO NOT NEED ANYTHING TO INCREASE THEIR NONEXISTANT HEALS.

stickupkid said:
Many people (at least in the higher end) have some kind of heal clicky and/or proc, there are quite a few items out that can heal one way or the other, but there seems to be a lack of HI7 items for non priest-classes.
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This is totally in line, items are designed with CLASS ABILITYS in mind, not with CLICKYS.

stickupkid said:
My idea would be (just one example, which I think would fit good) to make like "Bracer of Forgotten Battles" usable by War, Pal, SK, Bard too .. or maybe even to make it all/all, the class composition on it it already pretty wide spread amongs the melee/hybrid classes, just plate classes are missing.
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A+ example for a Do this cause I'm greedy/think its cool suggestion. You seem to have a habit of doing these (SoA suggestion comes to mind...). Please stop it. it started out comical but starts to get annoying.
 
I cant really think of that many heal procs outside of the robe and the clockwork bp, Clickies?
1)Flarewynd
2)Blazing Crown
3)Parcelan ring

Nwaij said:
This is totally in line, items are designed with CLASS ABILITYS in mind, not with CLICKYS.
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Sums it up for me, I don't really think anyone cares except maybe the one shadowknight who has a flarewynd IF HE EVEN EXISTS(and bards)
 
My 2 Nemesises (the emo-quitter and the traitor) trolling my posts ... please go back into your holes. Thanks

(and yes, while the SoA request/suggestion was prolly not approriate because overpowering.. giving bards some way of healing increment 7 doesnt really change much, its just more a convinience thing and I can also live without it... I was just wondering why there is none and if there was a possibility to add it, or if there is a reason against it)

Why do rogues/monks/warriors etc get Damage Increment 7??? The procs are no class ability either so what you say doesnt hold really. Its adds a little something.. not really overpowering or altering much at all.

P.S.: i hope edit function doesnt eat my post again
 
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There is heal increment 6 all over the place if your concerned with making your heal clickies/procs that much better, does the extra 3% really make that much of a difference, is there any real need to have heal increment for the very narrow span of usage from these classes?

I doubt very much any shadowknight switches in gloves of care when they use heal clickies. Maybe if your solo in rsm!
 
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My 2 Nemesises (the emo-quitter and traitor) trolling my posts ... please go back into your holes. Thanks
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Oh, pointing out how a suggestion is bad is now trolling, gotcha.
But let me offer you a deal: I will stop bashing your insanely retarded suggestions the momnet you stop posting them.
 
nwaij, how is that suggestion as bad as you trying to make it look?

I asked if there is any or if there is a rational reason against it. Saying that its "not that much needed" as you say means it won't change much at all. And by trolling i mean... If it wasnt ME (insider info: me and nwaij used to argue quite a bit lately) dont pretend you would have JUMPED this thread like you did.

I'dont see how.. "its not much needed" kinda argument makes this a sensless or stupid request?

SoA request (it was more a question why we dont get it.. and when that was answered i stopped goin even further with the request) was stupid/overpowering yea. But this is really just a small tiny tiny little thing here, that wouldnt change much at all, as you said urself.
 
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stickupkid said:
My idea would be (just one example, which I think would fit good) to make like "Bracer of Forgotten Battles" usable by War, Pal, SK, Bard too .. or maybe even to make it all/all, the class composition on it it already pretty wide spread amongs the melee/hybrid classes, just plate classes are missing.
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In this you clearly ignore the idea of item balance or goals by suggesting to add things without any particular reason other then to have it, Healing is not part of a bards class is it? Adding paladin to this would also mean they achieve heal increment seven earlier (which at this point cannot be achieved without killing the generals or being in sanctum to complete the vah sword) a case of not thinking things through.

Maybe bards should not have access to a plethora of items that enable them to gift the group with group heals?
 
Otcho said:
In this you clearly ignore the idea of item balance or goals by suggesting to add things without any particular reason other then to have it, Healing is not part of a bards class is it? Adding paladin to this would also mean they achieve heal increment seven earlier (which at this point cannot be achieved without killing the generals or being in sanctum to complete the vah sword) a case of not thinking things through.
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This.

And I have a habit of jumping bad suggestions, it just happens to you quite often cause you MAKE retarded suggestions on a frequent base.
 
If you really want a healing increment item as a bard, use one that isn't HI7. Otherwise, bards do not need it and the devs should not waste their time adding it to existing items.
 
"devs should not waste their time adding it to existing items" and the pally thing are the arguments against it i guess. Yeah I'll just get my hands on HI6, but maybe for ikisith some new HI items would certainly be nice =).
 
stickupkid said:
Why do rogues/monks/warriors etc get Damage Increment 7??? The procs are no class ability either so what you say doesnt hold really. Its adds a little something.. not really overpowering or altering much at all.
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DI is great for DPS classes that can't cast spells; it affects their procs (like on Obsidian Shanker, Ulkag Bat, etc)
 
yea i know, DI is really cool, for bards it also only works on procs and still i like it.

I was just saying that HI and DI are kinda the same in argumentation whether or not useful.
 
The difference between having HI for bards and DI for melees, is that most melees will have some sort of damage dealing proc, right? How many bards are going to have a healing proc at all let alone for the majority of their time playing the game?
 
myrah's thinking = I WANT IT, SO IT MUST HAPPEN

i was thinking, clerics run to places, but we dont run fast enough, so could we maybe get selos? i mean, bards run places, and they get selos, so i dont understand why clerics dont
 
I agree with Gtoo..clerics need bard speed..and the ability to port...and throw in a FD aa while youre at it.
 
I'd like to further Gtoo's suggestion by suggesting that we simply discontinue the bard class as a whole, and give Clerics a second spell bar. This bar is for Songs played by the class formerly known as bard. They get access to all bard songs, a separate spell book (so it doesn't get all jumbled up in there) and we don't have to deal with terrible bards making terrible suggestions anymore.

We just have to deal with more terrible clerics making more terrible suggestions.
 
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