Empower vs. Glory of Enthann

Yally

Dalayan Adventurer
Hey, I'd just like some people to weight out the differences between enchanter high end hastes empower and glory of enthann. Here's how they officially stack up:

Empower, level 64, single target, 3 hour duration, 60% haste, 84 spell ac(so 42 ingame?), 10 sta regen, unknown agi (not in parser)

Glory of Enthann, level 65, group spell, 1 hour duration, 77% haste, 15 agi, 15 str

I don't want empower nerfed, but as-is, most people want empower over glory. You get more agi(i believe), sta regen, ac, and a huge duration. The higher level of Glory and the group casting makes me feel like this should be replacing empower for the general population.

As another class example, take our magic resist line. We get a nice single target MR spell and then later on we get a group version (shiritri's ward) which increases the MR and nullifies the need for the previous spell. Also, you don't see melees clicking group shaman spells and asking for mammoth or something instead.

What I would like is for glory to get some ac added to it and a small amount of stamina regen. People will still want empower for the long duration in a lot of non-raid situations and I feel that it's a fair tradeoff (less haste for more duration)

P.S. I realize that rogues, rangers, and bards usually keep glory as it currently is, this is more of a convenience change that i feel is appropriate considering other spell lines and the mana cost of glory. Thanks :hmph:

EDIT: As an aside, I'd just like to show what enchanters have to do for buffing on a raid:

-Summon pet
-Jayla's boon
-Shiritri's ward
-Plate Illusions
-Gift of Brilliance on Necro's
-Glory of Enthann
-watch 8 melees click glory
-begin casting single target empowers
-receive /tells as you go because people think you aren't giving them empower when in reality you can only cast so fast
 
Simply put, GoE is for DPS whereas Empower is for tanking. I think both of these spells fill their roles appropriately and see no need for any change.
 
Right, but it's very inconvenient as is for an enchanter and I don't see why adding ac would upset the spell 'that' much as dps classes wont benefit from gaining a tad bit of ac. Group spells, to me, should be a convenience factor.
 
A pure DPS class should almost always be using GoE over empower regardless of the AC. The tank(s) have to make a choice whether or not to sacrifice the aggro gained by the extra haste or the enhanced tanking ability.

Alternatively empower is what you get when you are going on an exp group without an enchanter due to the longevity of it. GoE is when you have an enchanter along for the ride.

Overall I think the two buffs are pretty well balanced.
 
If you have 8 melee clicking glory, slap the fuck out of them unless you have 8 tanks :psyduck:
 
I agree both spells have an appropriate use, and I think they fit well in the overall plan. Cast Glory for the entire raid/group, and single target those who need the AC and Sta regen individually (tanks and pullers).

The one change I would really like to see is to have Glory stop overwriting Empower so the ench can refresh Glory after its shorter timer has run, and not have to redo all the Empowers which would otherwise last much longer.
 
Empower is on the augment spell line, goe is on the quickness spell line. Both seem fine to me.

JDJersey said:
How does the relic GoE add into this?

There's no relic GoE.
 
GuiardoTuneweaver said:
I agree both spells have an appropriate use, and I think they fit well in the overall plan. Cast Glory for the entire raid/group, and single target those who need the AC and Sta regen individually (tanks and pullers).

The one change I would really like to see is to have Glory stop overwriting Empower so the ench can refresh Glory after its shorter timer has run, and not have to redo all the Empowers which would otherwise last much longer.

If this could happen, i will stop bitching :psyduck:
 
GuiardoTuneweaver said:
I agree both spells have an appropriate use, and I think they fit well in the overall plan. Cast Glory for the entire raid/group, and single target those who need the AC and Sta regen individually (tanks and pullers).

The one change I would really like to see is to have Glory stop overwriting Empower so the ench can refresh Glory after its shorter timer has run, and not have to redo all the Empowers which would otherwise last much longer.

Agreeing with this so hard. Emp should really overwrite GoE so I don't have to yell at afk and/or not paying attention off tanks to click their damn GoEs.
 
If that happens you'll have a horde of beastlords howling for their specific problem, I warn ya all !
 
Why not make Empower group and have Emopwer and GoE not overwrite each others, kind of like Focus and PotG?
 
Just put your foot down. As an enchanter you can do that ya know. Be real with them. You tell them they'll take GoE and like it because they're DPS and you're not down with DPS gimping your raid with empower. Like Wold said emp is great if the enc isn't coming along for the ride. An Enc with max buff duration can have a 5-6 hour long lasting empower I believe. It's good stuff but it's nothing to gimp DPS over if the Enc is along for the ride.

I do strongly agree that it is annoying GoE overwrites empower and apparently most people play semi AFK so I grow tired of having to tell tanks to drop their GoE for empower, because if I don't it's not 5 minutes later after I de mem the spell assuming x tank is living with GoE that I hear, "I need empower." It's easily solved by just keeping empower memmed full time however just to rehaste the puller, be it mnk or shd. I'm certainly not going through the hassle of casting GoE everytime a monk dies and then have to rebuff tanks with Empower. Not that Enc's have much else better to do but after a few months of that crap dealing with semi afk tanks it gets on your nerves and is one of the reasons I took up shd while my enc is a buff bot now.
 
Emp is also sta regen. I would get it occasionally to use /s 4 for a very long time. I've never parsed it so the /s 4 was more for me to look at my crits, but I would think that it is fairly close if not exceeding the dps of the evtra 17%
 
Why not make Empower group and have Emopwer and GoE not overwrite each others, kind of like Focus and PotG?
WOW that's actually a good idea ! :toot: *calls the beastlord horde*
 
Is there a way to not make them over right each other though? Or would it require them to be the same level? Emp wouldn't even have to be a group spell if it wasn't overwritten by glory. It would still be a convenience step.
 
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