Dark Elf Warrior

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Xodiac

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I've tried necro, even shaman. Hell, I leveled the necro up into his 30's. It's just, boring. To indirect. I like mixing it up, always did even on RO. So, I decided what race I like the best which, ironically is DE. Then I looked over classes and decided Warrior. Now, using two boxes isn't an option for me. I also am well aware of the 'warrior' situation in that elitist tards DEMAND TEH BEST AC AN HP LOLOL ALSO AA!!!

The main question is. Is a DE warrior plausible, and if so, how difficult, then after that, how epic?
 
Xodiac said:
I also am well aware of the 'warrior' situation in that elitist tards DEMAND TEH BEST AC AN HP LOLOL ALSO AA!!!
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With an attitude like this my suggestion is don't do it. Beyond that, your inability to box will hurt you playing a warrior. If you're really set on trying out a tank class I would suggest a knight as you'll always retain at least minor ability to solo when you can't manage getting a group.
 
If you ignore racial traits, they're all the same. That said, gnome racial bonuses are stupidly overpowered. If it were possible to translate the extent of their superiority into a language only retards could understand, it would read something like this:


FLURRAFLARFFGGFSARURRGDDFOGENIENZIEKSHIEZEBRA


It's not coincidence that this language resembles German.
 
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Rorne said:
With an attitude like this my suggestion is don't do it.
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It really has nothing to do with the situation. It's just what I've read. Decent players getting passed up because they simply have 1 less AC than the other guy. I'm not trying to insult anyone. It just seems a bit silly to me.
 
Xodiac said:
It really has nothing to do with the situation. It's just what I've read. Decent players getting passed up because they simply have 1 less AC than the other guy. I'm not trying to insult anyone. It just seems a bit silly to me.
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Racial bonuses (or lack thereof) will not have a noticeable impact on your ability to tank tbh. Tanks experience the most cumulative rewards out of all the classes. Yes, there are a few races that are statistically superior to others, but it's really not that significant.

Dark elves and frogs have a hefty advantage over the other races: ultravision. No, it won't help you tank. But holy shit it's awesome.

Edit: Pick whatever you enjoy playing the most. The choice will not dictate how well you can tank.
 
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Xodiac said:
I also am well aware of the 'warrior' situation in that elitist tards DEMAND TEH BEST AC AN HP LOLOL ALSO AA!!!

The main question is. Is a DE warrior plausible, and if so, how difficult, then after that, how epic?
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HP, AC and AAs make a big difference in the stuff that you can tank. You can play with other people who's toons are at a similar place progression-wise, but if you don't get invited to take for people who are much better geared than you don't assume that they are "elitist tards". If you stick with it pretty soon you won't want to invite a druid with 3k mana to heal you and you'll get to see the situation from a different perspective.

Yeah, a DE warrior is a perfectly plausible. The stats of an Ogre are a nice boost for a while, and the racial bonus of the Iksar is probably the best, but you can do fine as a DE. If you want it to get epic you need to be prepared to grind a lot of AAs and farm a lot of gear to get the max AC and HP.
 
Zaela said:
If this were especially true, all high end warriors would be Iksars, because of their AC bonus.

None of the really high end warriors are Iksars.
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I think if you asked a lot of the high end warriors if they wanted to be iksars now, they would tell you yes most likely. A lot of people did not realize how useless all other racial traits were compared to iksars at tanking when they rolled their character.
 
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Here on SoD, I choose Wood Elf for warrior due to:

1. Charm/mez resists (just like the DE)
2. Better stats than a DE for tanking (low INT = better stats elsewhere)
3. Infravision (I am ok with Infra or Dark vision on my characters)
4. Friendly to animals (Added bonus when I need to run somewhere)
5. NOT large size (I refuse to play ogres, trolls, vah shir, and barbarians due to the size issue...high elves are the tallest I can stand)
6. Hide 50 (Same as a DE)
7. Forage 50 (Never have to buy food/water, as the ability is keyed into other macro buttons like Bind wound, "Incoming," "Location," "Assist," Etc.)

But, those are my personal preferences. All of my clerics are DE's due to the ability to hide (again, preference). To each their own.
 
For the purposes of this thread, we'll call "high-end" any warrior capable of tanking up to and including all of tier 9. To simplify it, we'll say that is any warrior over 8k hp and 1400ac while dual wielding.

The list of such tanks, in no particular order:
Ratkon
Vargg
Kazimir
Linken
Sald
Grimar
Woldaff
Behn
Ardenn
Kharras
Fuwok
Jaxelthorpe
Tyvec
Gunder

Sorry if I missed anyone. Yes Tyvec, I consider you capable of tanking all of tier 9, don't shit yourself. Keep in mind the difference between capable and ideal.

What we have in terms of races is:
3 Barbarians
1 Gnome
2 Iksar
1 Halfling
2 Dwarves
1 Troll
1 Dark Elf
2 Ogres
1 Human

It's pretty much all over the board. The only race that can be a warrior that doesn't have any representation here is wood elf. Racial bonuses are pretty miniscule at the high end, the only ones that make any appreciable difference at all for warriors are gnomes and iksar. When I created my toon I wanted to play something that i found interesting, so I created a dark elf. I haven't felt handicapped in the least.
 
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Severien said:
Racial bonuses are pretty miniscule at the high end, the only ones that make any appreciable difference at all for warriors are gnomes and iksar.
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The bonus that these races provide is probably worth about 2 item upgrades AT LEAST. The gnome one is hard to quantify and is unique on its own because it allows you to reach an attack speed no other race can compete with.

If you are not a min/maxer then then this is not a big deal and play what you want. But in the end those 2 races will always have a lead on you in terms of tanking ability.
 
Severien said:
For the purposes of this thread, we'll call "high-end" any warrior capable of tanking up to and including all of tier 9. To simplify it, we'll say that is any warrior over 8k hp and 1400ac while dual wielding.

The list of such tanks, in no particular order:
Ratkon
Vargg
Kazimir
Linken
Sald
Grimar
Woldaff
Behn
Ardenn
Kharras
Fuwok
Jaxelthorpe
Tyvec
Gunder

Sorry if I missed anyone. Yes Tyvec, I consider you capable of tanking all of tier 9, don't shit yourself. Keep in mind the difference between capable and ideal.
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Calitik feels missed, he is a gnome.
 
Severien said:
For the purposes of this thread, we'll call "high-end" any warrior capable of tanking up to and including all of tier 9. To simplify it, we'll say that is any warrior over 8k hp and 1400ac while dual wielding.

The list of such tanks, in no particular order:
Ratkon
Vargg
Kazimir
Linken
Sald
Grimar
Woldaff
Behn
Ardenn
Kharras
Fuwok
Jaxelthorpe
Tyvec
Gunder

Sorry if I missed anyone. Yes Tyvec, I consider you capable of tanking all of tier 9, don't shit yourself. Keep in mind the difference between capable and ideal.

What we have in terms of races is:
3 Barbarians
1 Gnome
2 Iksar
1 Halfling
2 Dwarves
1 Troll
1 Dark Elf
2 Ogres
1 Human

It's pretty much all over the board. The only race that can be a warrior that doesn't have any representation here is wood elf. Racial bonuses are pretty miniscule at the high end, the only ones that make any appreciable difference at all for warriors are gnomes and iksar. When I created my toon I wanted to play something that i found interesting, so I created a dark elf. I haven't felt handicapped in the least.
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Tbh most of the high end people, having discussed it with a sizable portion of said population, would farm a half mil for a race change without question, hell it's a bigger upgrade in most cases than from charm to charm.

Erudite also makes a sizable difference, and the difference, at least in the case of gnomes, does not shrink when you move towards the high end, but grows substantially.

Marza said:
The bonus that these races provide is probably worth about 2 item upgrades AT LEAST. The gnome one is hard to quantify and is unique on its own because it allows you to reach an attack speed no other race can compete with.

If you are not a min/maxer then then this is not a big deal and play what you want. But in the end those 2 races will always have a lead on you in terms of tanking ability.
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Yes. Also, thizik you're a dev now?
 
The only race that can be a warrior that doesn't have any representation here is wood elf.
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You don't have any Frogloks, Vah or Half Elfs either?
budrick would meet the 8khp/1.4kac dual wielding requirements for a froglok high end warrior
 
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neonovas said:
You don't have any Frogloks, Vah or Half Elfs either?
budrick would meet the 8khp/1.4kac dual wielding requirements for a froglok high end warrior
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Froglok racial bonus was cool before you could skillup swimming by anything other than using skillpoints.
 
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