Curious if other necromancers experience this issue...

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Trust And Fall

Dalayan Adventurer
First of all, I'd just like to say that I have played a necromancer for over 5 years, here and the "other" place.
I understand how FD works.
However, as of late I have had serious problems with using my feign death AA ability at raids.
On multiple occasions, I have feigned death as a wipe was occuring to ensure that I would be able to rez a cleric back in.
Many, many, many times even though I do *NOT* have a dot on the mob, or a pet on it or sometimes even up for that matter, the mob still kills me.

I am very aware that AE's break fd. However, I am not seeing a message that my FD is broken many of the times. Not only that, but there have been many times where I am not even in the same room as a mob, do not have LOS, yet once they're done killing everyone they come after me. It's like my FD knocked me to the bottom of the aggro list,but the mob doesnt think I'm dead.

Again, I do not have dots on the mob, a pet on them, or sometimes even have a pet up in the instances I'm talking about. I was hesitent to post this because someone is going to think I don't know how FD works, or I was just getting fd broken by AE's, but I promise this is not the case. I have talked to other necromancers and some have said they've had the same issue.

How about everyone else?
 
I've seen the same thing happen to me on raids. I'm not sure what causes it. To add to things that would unfeign me that I never see happen; I never see group heals or anything of the sort hitting me during the wipe, yet I'm still not considered dead to the MOB and it will come after me. The same thing doesn't always happen on the same MOB, so it's not even specific to the same encounter. I notice if I have time to stand and re-feign multiple times during the wipe, it usually helps this not occur, but obviously this gives me a higher chance of getting raped.
 
Someone told me that as well, that to avoid it, just stand feign death a couple times and it helps success rate.
Obviously, this is very dangerous if you know a wipe is occuring, but I'll start giving this a shot.
 
I've seen this happen before to me as well as some others. I have an idea what might cause it but I haven't really played around enough with it to ensure. Happened in groups as well as on raids and as far as I can remember only on summoning mobs - they usually summoned me while FD and ganked me while I was lying around.

Trust And Fall said:
Someone told me that as well, that to avoid it, just stand feign death a couple times and it helps success rate.
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It does sometimes help - but the increase in success rate is minor.
 
Maybe a GM/Dev will see this post and take a look into it...
It sucks pretty bad when you're deep in DHK, and this kinda stuff happens.
*hint hint*
 
What about you range ? Maybe the mob doesn't notice "your death" because you're too far away, and you don't wipe from his aggro list . Just a guess.
 
Its true it happens quite a bit on raids lately, what I do when Im in this case (pet on hold and recalled, no dots, paying atention to FD break message if it's the case) is spam consider key on the mob, and re FD as soon as Im scowl.
I thought it was on raid mobs starting some tier and it had to be dealt with, but it's often a pain in the ass.
And if you have a dot running there is no chance to survive.
 
I've never had this problem :tinfoil:

I've been stumped before, but it's usually stuff that's easily overlooked like a wizard pet heal or interrupted (i like to levitate, but it interrupts sometimes even if i'm still, especially switching between windows). I happen to remember you(Arakias) play with the casting filters open to at least group. Try setting your filters to you only so you only get the important stuff.

I think it's a technology issue. From what little i know about networking, games primarily use something like UDP, which is much more efficient because it discards lost packets, instead of requesting the packet again. If your client never recieves a particular cast message, an AE, phantom strike, heal, dot tick you didn't keep track of, etc, it will never be displayed and will not register in your txt log; the server however will have registered it and the first you will ever know is your next exchange with the server, considering the mob, which of course, cons scowling. Filter other players out so you're box isn't being bombarded with all the bullshit from 6-18 active people + NPC's.
 
If wizard pet heals are breaking FD, something should be done to prevent that. There's no reliable way for a wizard to prevent it, short of not summoning his pet/killing it in the midst of a wipe. One of which is no solutiona t all, and th eother of which isn't very feasible.

However, I have been present on raids in places like PoA where arakias beelined down a tunnel and was FAR FAR away from any possible interference from beneficial spells, FDed, and still been summoned at the end.
 
robopirateninja said:
If wizard pet heals are breaking FD, something should be done to prevent that.
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Well I run away but...

robotpirateninja said:
I have been present on raids in places like PoA where arakias beelined down a tunnel and was FAR FAR away from any possible interference from beneficial spells, FDed, and still been summoned at the end.
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:tinfoil:
 
Trust And Fall said:
Maybe a GM/Dev will see this post and take a look into it...
It sucks pretty bad when you're deep in DHK, and this kinda stuff happens.
*hint hint*
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sacrificing rogs = win in dhk...

but yea. when i was raiding with arakias i had seen this happen from time to time.

i woudlnt think fd would have to be within a range of a mob to make it think ur dead...

as for a solution or possible causes.. no idea=/
 
Does it possibly have something to do with lich form? Maybe the undead cannot feign their own death...
 
Should just bring in a camped rezzer for when the necromancer FD fails so we dont have to waste so much time....


Oh wait,
 
this has happened to me a few times now, and i cant figure out why im still dying. i only have a problem with AA fd, so im wondering if there's something wrong with it, or, more likely, if im doing something wrong. today we got ambushed, i didnt do anything to any mobs, just killed pet and FD. mobs killed entire group, then came and killed me.
 
was reading the General Information ( From Wiz)
http://www.shardsofdalaya.com/forum/index.php?topic=8425.0

MEDITATE

1) You can no longer meditate in combat. In combat is defined as being on the aggro list of an NPC (unless all you have is proximity aggro), or being in a group with someone that is in combat.
2) Meditate, when it is available, is MUCH MUCH faster.
3) There are no more "fleeting" mana/hp regen caps. The caps are at 30 mana regen from spells, 20 mana regen from items, and 40 hp regen from items.
4) Melee skill caps for int/wis caster classes have been severely increased.
5) NPCs will remember you for a few minutes or as long as they are in combat if you zone/log out.
coud that somehow be causing the problem ?
 
shreck said:
was reading the General Information ( From Wiz)
http://www.shardsofdalaya.com/forum/index.php?topic=8425.0

MEDITATE

1) You can no longer meditate in combat. In combat is defined as being on the aggro list of an NPC (unless all you have is proximity aggro), or being in a group with someone that is in combat.
2) Meditate, when it is available, is MUCH MUCH faster.
3) There are no more "fleeting" mana/hp regen caps. The caps are at 30 mana regen from spells, 20 mana regen from items, and 40 hp regen from items.
4) Melee skill caps for int/wis caster classes have been severely increased.
5) NPCs will remember you for a few minutes or as long as they are in combat if you zone/log out.
coud that somehow be causing the problem ?
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please know what your talking about meditate has Nothing to do with he feign death ability (which btw makes the mob think your dead unless you get hit by a spell friendly or unfriendly or hit by a attack like phantom strikes or ww)
 
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