Clear cut raiding rule for contested targets

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Zaos

Zaos

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In order to prevent further confusion between guilds and GMs I would like a staff member to please put the raiding engagement rule for contested targets in this thread if it's not too much trouble.

Its usually said "the first 18" from a guild in a zone locks the zone or, in a situation where more than one raid may be present (prison), it would give them first pick. That sounds like a fair enough rule to me. Knowing this for a certainty will provide us with a standard of judgement. Can this be confirmed to help everyone avoid conflict in the future?
 
I'm no staff member, but that is what I remember the rule as. 18 in zone claims zone or in prison's case, choice of mob.
 
I would suggest allowing people in EF to count toward prison, since not all guilds have a port-to-prison spell. Other than that, I favor the 18 rule for its simplicity and ease of enforcement.

As an aside, OP/IP are different for that purpose, as far as I know. 18 in OP claims OP; 18 in IP claims IP.
 
I'd love this in stone and enforced properly (as in real consequences for abuse), forsaken have gated into prison when over 20 ruin where in zone before (with caelin and rabb present) and have been made to leave by another staff member so I have little faith in any fair play from their side.. we're at a bottle neck now with Taeshlin and having Forsaken allowed to port in within 30 seconds and "fairly" claim him while we gather / clear really screws us out of a fair attempt.

I'd propose either come up with a fix for this or develop new content that doesn't rely on a bottleneck like this.
 
I would suggest allowing people in EF to count toward prison, since not all guilds have a port-to-prison spell. Other than that, I favor the 18 rule for its simplicity and ease of enforcement.
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It's a good idea in theory, but i think it would be shitty as hell to enforce, because then both guilds are going to claim they had enough people "zoning" to make 18, and then they're going to say "oh no we had 4 in everfrost" and it would be more petty drama to deal with. I think the rule should be kept simple, 18 in zone means 18 in zone, if you need keys gotss is like an hour raid for either guild.
 
Maimai said:
I'd love this in stone and enforced properly (as in real consequences for abuse), forsaken have gated into prison when over 20 ruin where in zone before (with caelin and rabb present) and have been made to leave by another staff member so I have little faith in any fair play from their side.. we're at a bottle neck now with Taeshlin and having Forsaken allowed to port in within 30 seconds and "fairly" claim him while we gather / clear really screws us out of a fair attempt.

I'd propose either come up with a fix for this or develop new content that doesn't rely on a bottleneck like this.
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atleast keep your story in context... We ported to IP b/c we thought the zone limit had been raised already(you guys were in OP) then we left the zone once we were informed that the zone limit had not been raised yet.

As for a fix? what is broken to need a fix? or by fix do you mean something that is in Ruin's favor?
 
The latest rule I heard, was the first guild to start clearing with a force capable of killing the mob. But the GM's stated that its not always a clear cut case, and that there can be no official rule on this because someone will find a way to abuse it.

Ginam
 
ThunndarrNameless said:
As for a fix? what is broken to need a fix? or by fix do you mean something that is in Ruin's favor?
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The kind of fix im talking about is allowing a guild that is more than ready for IP to get a fair chance at progressing, something like a *'d Taeshlin encounter that only drops the key and no loot.

And as for your defence wiz hadn't even posted the comment about raising the prison zone cap yet on the day I mentioned, so dont make up fake context to justify your abuse.
 
I'm locking this thread because honestly, it's already beginning to devolve into flames from both sides. Give up the petty bullshit people, you're both guilty of it.

As for the question at hand, I'll reply to this thread with a clear cut rule once I speak to Wiz about it.
 
Alright Forsaken and Ruin, and any other guilds who start competing for zones, here's what we're doing unless Wiz or Zodium tell me to shut up:

If a raid has 18 people present IN THE ZONE (So no, not waiting in SK and .12212 seconds from porting or freezing in EF) then the zone is considered theirs for raiding.

For Prison: Inner Prison and Outer Prison are independant.

To clarify:

Inner Prison is considered all of the dumb trash + the 5 IP Dragons WHO RESIDE in IP, Gharon, Ulaz, Yash, Farg, Deyranni.

Outer Prison is considered to be all of the dumb trash + MOTG, Manis, Mirror Golems, dumb wardwyrms (trash!) and Taeshlin

Now before anyone says "But well, Taesh is an IP dragon," I'm not going to deny a guild the ability to advance to IP.


Anywas, this rule is very clear cut and has very little advantage to either side. Hopefully this will stop any future problems before they begin.
 
Also, as a final comment: I will punish those who decided to try and circumvent this with severity. I don't want to see an old character holocaust of some sort, so be reasonable.
 
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