Call to Battle/Vestments of the Arising

[soba]

Could this clicky effect possibly be looked at? As a Beastlord I feel this clicky spell infringes upon one of the few utility buffs a Beastlord has,namely that if a melee class desires the extra ATK from SV he must sacrifice some HP from SSS.

This spell provides 30 ATK and increases regen by 1 and lasts 60 minutes and is raidwide.
Spiritual Vigor provides 40 ATK and increases HP by 225 for 72 minutes, again raidwide.

However, and this is the big pet peeve, it STACKS with Sihala's Stalwart Shield but NOT with Spiritual Vigor, so that if a melee class is willing to give up a buff slot (which is very feasible in quite a few raid zones, especially for pure melee) he loses only 10 ATK but gains 105 HP.

I really do hope the numbers speak for themselves there, by only sacrificing a buff slot he gains 105 HP but only loses 10 ATK, please let those numbers sink in.

On SoD classes have always had the comfort of knowing their classes basic buffs and utility wouldn't be infringed upon by clickies or by a blurring of the lines between classes by new spells added to other classes,I believe this clicky definitely does step on the toes of Beastlords.

At the endgame we have already lost the usefulness of pre-slows due to Shaman archaic slow, and our SV buffs usefulness is now being completely watered down by this clicky.What we have left now is our DPS,Spiritual Bliss, Cunning and Savagery.If the purpose was to dilute or make SV obsolete than this item fulfills it's role admirably, if not this clicky definitely needs to be looked at.

Suggestion:

Remove it entirely from this item and replace it with a useful focus effect or another useful clicky that doesn't infringe on another classes territory or place it on a Beastlord only item such as our Thaz armor, giving the class the ability to fill the gap for when classes want the HP from SSS but don't want to sacrifice the ATK (which I believe goes against the entire tradeoff of the spell).

 

[Spiritplx]

Why not just make it stack with Spiritual Vigor and reduce the attack very slightly? It is a very good clicky, and I would hate to see it taken away from the raid scene.


Edit: You forgot Paragon in your list of cool things Beastlords do!

 

[soba]

Why not just make it stack with Spiritual Vigor and reduce the attack very slightly? It is a very good clicky, and I would hate to see it taken away from the raid scene.


Edit: You forgot Paragon in your list of cool things Beastlords do!

Because it still comes very close to the most important stat of SV, ATK, and is castable by 7 classes? The Beastlord is not among them, and the classes that are included have never had a group/raidwide ATK buff before this clicky, except for the Shaman and Druid with Bih'Li/Wolf Illusion buffs that already have the limitation of only being able to be cast in outdoor zones and which stack with Spiritual Vigor.

This buff would still provide any raid member with an unencumbered (indoor/outdoor doesn't matter) ATK buff with only 10 less ATK than SV, for no mana cost, with only a 12 minute difference in duration with your suggestion.

I have no problem with this item having a useful clicky (or focus effect) provided that it doesn't step on the toes of any classes core buffs, and would welcome suggestions for such.Provide your own suggestions for that, I don't pretend to understand what would be useful for other classes.

This is just my own opinion, if the staff decide to go with your suggestion it would be better than the current state of the item, even though it would take away from the uniqueness of SV.

Rangers do not count, they already have a straight ATK buff with no restrictions, and are not included on this item.

 

[Duma]

SV is still better. The extra few HP does not compensate for 4% more melee dps or the used up buff slot for call to battle. In fact I don't know why I still tank with SSS.

 

[Korra]

Just FYI Call to Battle has been around for years as a clicky on the Crystalline Banner of War, which used to drop from a 3 day spawn mini named in Seru.

I'm guessing the reason it's been put on a new item is so newer players can benefit from it, it would be a shame to see it taken away because as you say it uses an extra buff slot which on raids is very rarely an option, and in groups you'd have to have a paladin for the situational 'bonus' it offers.

Not to mention BSTs already have some very nice damage augmenting spells and I can hardly see a group not taking a BST because someone has a CTB clicky...

 

[Thoias]

Just FYI Call to Battle has been around for years as a clicky on the Crystalline Banner of War, which used to drop from a 3 day spawn mini named in Seru.

Yeah, CTB is nothing new, I don't see why its suddenly a problem. :/

Soba, you're making it sound like its a simple task to free yet another buff slot when there are item procs/clickies, short duration buffs, situational saves and detrimental effects to also worry about.

 

[Waldoff]

I disagree with the "stepping on Beastlords" toes part BUT it should not stack with SSS.


Will no longer after next patch.


Edit- Looking at the spell it looks like someone actually meant for it not to stack with SSS but SSS's slot was changed. Fixed it.

 

[Malluas]

ok now that it will be useless on raids.. can we change the clicky to something useful for raids.. a stackin +10FR buff? or some kinda effect thats useful.. FT1, MC7, range increment, etc.. since its just as easy as water boss if not a tad harder (comparing to caster/druid thaz chests).

 

[Spiritplx]

ok now that it will be useless on raids.. can we change the clicky to something useful for raids.. a stackin +10FR buff? or some kinda effect thats useful.. FT1, MC7, range increment, etc.. since its just as easy as water boss if not a tad harder (comparing to caster/druid thaz chests).

Hmm, going to have to agree on this one. On raids, if you do not have either a paladin or a beastlord you will be hurting, so most likely you will be botting one. That means you will never have this buff on raids. Is this buff meant for EXP groups only? Or just those rare times you have neither a paladin nor a beastlord?


EDIT: I still think the attack on this buff should be slightly reduced and stack with both SSS and SV. Buff slots on boss fights are precious, but you might be able to squeeze this on during trash or if you are a ranger/rogue(always).