Brawler's Bulwark petition for upgrade

narmarratuk

narmarratuk

Dalayan Adventurer
I thank the debelopers for when long ago I asked for a tank shield from adepts and you guys answer that petition. I will now ask for this shield to be bumped up on ac a bit. let us consider its rarity and difficulty to obtain to other shields like obsidian tower and even shield of mammoth...and yes even trade skill shields. coming from a lvl 42 adept and knowing ac is king for any of those classes that can wear when looting this item is going to face a hard decission on wether to gain some stats and proc or drop on ac, and will have I been rewarded from my efforts. I will like to suggest to make starting ac between 15 to 20...or even 25 to make it last to lvl 55!. please consider the difficulty, rarety, and lvl to obtain of this item surely what I request is not game breaking but looking up for fellow growing tanks. once again thak you for taking your time.


Brawler's Bulwark

Expable Item
Growth Rate per Level 20%
Total Growth Levels 5
[LORE ITEM] [NO DROP]
Slot: Secondary
AC: 9 (18)
Fire DMG: 3
Effect: Summoning: Air (Bash Proc, 6.7%)
Skill Mod: Bash +1
STR: +3 (6) STA: +3 (6) INT: +3 (6) AGI: +3 (6) HP: +30 (60) MANA: +30 (60)
SV FIRE: +3 (6) SV COLD: +3 (6) SV MAGIC: +3 (6)
Recommended level of 40. This item grows with experience.
WT: 4.5 Size: Medium
Class: WAR PAL SHD
Race: ALL
Slot 1 type 2: empty
 
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Brawler's Bulwark upgrade needed.

I have to agree with the above statement. The AC listed for this item is more of a caster shield AC rating and not so much for a tank. I do want to give a big thanks for adding this addept and a shield for our low level tanks, it was needed. The listed item provides generous stat increase, saves , and the +hp/+mana is very fair, etc.. Giving an increase to the AC of the shield will make it worth the intended class (tank) to keep the shield around for a while. As is, the shield's low AC will cause the otherwise great item to be passed by, if not at the moment, shortly after. Increasing the AC of the item will make this item of great use not only in the mid 40's, but up into the low to mid 50's levels. Thx for reading. Here is my proposed AC change.

Brawler's Bulwark

Expable Item
Growth Rate per Level 20%
Total Growth Levels 5
[LORE ITEM] [NO DROP]
Slot: Secondary
AC: 22 (45)
Fire DMG: 3
Effect: Summoning: Air (Bash Proc, 6.7%)
Skill Mod: Bash +1
STR: +3 (6) STA: +3 (6) INT: +3 (6) AGI: +3 (6) HP: +30 (60) MANA: +30 (60)
SV FIRE: +3 (6) SV COLD: +3 (6) SV MAGIC: +3 (6)
Recommended level of 40. This item grows with experience.
WT: 4.5 Size: Medium
Class: WAR PAL SHD
Race: ALL
Slot 1 type 2: empty
 
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After being one of the very few people to get this shield, after countless attempts at the adept... I realized that a shield I had banked already was better; I almost view this as a toy to proc myself a pet as a warrior now, rather then a defensive tool to keep me alive.

I have to agree, the AC on this shield is too low; I find myself looking at my obsidian tower shield frequently and lamenting the lack of AC (And by virtue, it's ability to let me block incoming attacks) on this one. If I were to use a shield more often as a warrior, I'd happily swap the 25 hp for the extra AC and block skill between the two. One extra block alone would net me more gain then the 25 hp.

I won't lie, I'd love to see 44-50 ac on this shield when maxed, taking into account the difficulty of the fight. I don't think having 40 ac, 60 hp shield from an adept at this level would be too out of line, considering late twentys can get a higher AC shield then this in its current state, as well as other similar items one can buy from other players in very short order.

Looking around this same level range, a Deepmetal Shield's 35 ac far out classes the loss of 10 hp within 3 levels, or a 45 ac, 60 hp shield within 8 levels (Bloodsoaked Pillar). Even with the recommended level stuff coming into play, both of the mentioned shields are better then this one at level 42, and this is coming from an adept.

It does almost make it seem like 44-46 AC, perhaps even going so far as to reach 50-60 (As long as the exp to level was boosted heavily) would not be unreasonable for an item from an adept. After all, aren't they meant to last you a good, long while? Heck, I still use the Vizard of Tetrachromacy from a level 12 adept at this level, because the ac and hp on it are awesome compared to just about everything else I've found.

That is really the only compelling argument that I can give to take another look at the itemization of this shield. Everything else on the shield feels decent, though in a dream world I could see it reaching 76 hp.
 
How good should a level 40 shield be? The only thing wrong with it is AC but the rest of the stats are perfectly fine. I could see maybe 35 ac at max but it shouldn't be nearly as good as level 65 items. Or does it coming from an adept mob make it some magical super item that can level up to be better then low tier raid gear or BOEs from high end 65 zones? I don't know im not very familiar with how adept gear is supposed to scale.
 
I actually am inclined to agree with Bloog to a point; From my past experience, adept items are meant to last a long while, because they are more or less 'raid' content for their level. 35 AC honestly would be reasonable, but one can dream, right? That makes it slightly better then a tradeskilled shield that has 2 aug slots.

But something that was pointed out to me:
It's possible that the AC is a typo at 9; it should be 19 base.
If you look at the mask that drops, the singing mod is 0.1. Even at 250% (50 levels at 5% each) it would only reach .25. It might be meant to be 1.1, though that'd bring it to 2.75, a smidge insane, unless I'm totally messing up my math on how singing mods work with the percents? I could see 1.3 being reasonable on it.
 
Flynt that is exactly what i meant, back when i requested for an adept shield possibly a few years back, something that will take tanks through the lvls while raiding adepts and perhaps help them in the first few raiding tiers. I got so excited when i finally heard about a new adept with a tank shield and when i saw it i was like ohhh...hmmmm... well...there is a problem. Alot of people dont understand that unless you are doing the 55-57 adepts finding a group from the 30s to 50ish adepts could be problematic, this shield is probably more rare than alof of 65 top tier shields and is difficult to obtain, all i ask is for the Devs to review this and hear my plead and make a decision from it that will be just. maybe I'm wrong and will like someone to tell me so and why if not then will be good thing to take into consideration to reward people for their efforts.
 
I sorta feel like it should definitely be a good shield but it shouldn't be so good that new tanks will be upset that they missed it by accidentally levelling past it.

For comparison http://wiki.shardsofdalaya.com/index.php/Enforcer's_Guard and http://wiki.shardsofdalaya.com/index.php/Adamant_Kirt'sek_Carapace are two pretty decent BOE items that drop from tough zones. You can pretty much ignore the pristine on Adamant Kirt'sek Carapace because that zone is pretty tough and a new 65 wont be able to handle it.

Really something like 18-20 AC would be good base. I sort of feel like it was supposed to be like 19/38 AC which would be pretty decent considering its from a lower level adept. Any more and it would start approaching the level of high end BOEs although it is an adept item so who knows it may not be that terrible. It would just suck for any tanks who level past since they need everything they can get.
 
Radiant Crystalline Shield

[MAGIC ITEM] [LORE ITEM] [NO DROP]
Slot: Secondary
AC: 35
HP: +35 MANA: +35
SV COLD: +10
Recommended level of 50.
WT: 0.1 Size: Medium
Class: WAR PAL SHD
Race: ALL
Slot 1 type 2: empty

EXTREMLEY easy to get at level 55. simply go to Eastern wastes get 3 orc teeth go to Thurgadin turn in said teeth get shield.

Thats stats are shitty, but if you're looking for an easy AC shield thats where you can get one at 55.
 
MAGIC ITEM] [LORE ITEM] [NO DROP]
Slot: Secondary
AC: 15
CHA: +10 WIS: +8 INT: +8 MANA: +45
WT: 0.1 Size: Medium
Class: CLR DRU SHM NEC WIZ MAG ENC
Race: ALL
Slot 1 type 2: empty

Thats the Casters version same quest blah blah blah
 
oozu1234 said:
Radiant Crystalline Shield

[MAGIC ITEM] [LORE ITEM] [NO DROP]
Slot: Secondary
AC: 35
HP: +35 MANA: +35
SV COLD: +10
Recommended level of 50.
WT: 0.1 Size: Medium
Class: WAR PAL SHD
Race: ALL
Slot 1 type 2: empty

EXTREMELY easy to get at level 55. simply go to Eastern wastes get 3 orc teeth go to Thurgadin turn in said teeth get shield.

Thats stats are shitty, but if you're looking for an easy AC shield thats where you can get one at 55.
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That's exactly it.

That is extremely easy to get at 55. This shield requires at least 9 very coordinated people at a specific level range to acquire.

You know what's even easier to get at 45? Or even 42?

Deepmetal Shield
Slot: Secondary
AC: 35 (38)
This item is made with tradeskills.
STR: +5 (6) STA: +5 (6) CHA: +10 (11) WIS: +7 (8) INT: +7 (8) HP: +50 (55) MANA: +65 (71)
SV DISEASE: +3 (4) SV MAGIC: +10 (11) SV POISON: +3 (4)
Recommended level of 45.
WT: 17.0 Size: Large
Class: WAR CLR PAL SHD DRU BRD SHM
Race: ALL
Slot 1 type 2: empty
Slot 2 type 2: empty

And there in lies the problem. This item is far and away better then an item that drops from an Adept.

Don't get me wrong, if the Brawler's Bulwark lasted until 55, that'd be fine and dandy! It would have lasted at least 13 levels, and that's a good run for an item. I don't think it should be eclipsed nigh immediately, let alone have quest loot from the low 30's be superior.

Compare that to some level 12 adept loot that has lasted me 30 levels and will last me quite a few more before I replace it. I guess I've just come to expect Adept loot to have a longer shelf life as it were.

I don't want to feel like I'm beating a dead horse here, and I agree that it shouldn't be the be-all-end-all of shields, but.. I wish it felt like something worth pausing to get.
 
Flynt said:
That's exactly it.

That is extremely easy to get at 55. This shield requires at least 9 very coordinated people at a specific level range to acquire.

You know what's even easier to get at 45? Or even 42?

Deepmetal Shield
Slot: Secondary
AC: 35 (38)
This item is made with tradeskills.
STR: +5 (6) STA: +5 (6) CHA: +10 (11) WIS: +7 (8) INT: +7 (8) HP: +50 (55) MANA: +65 (71)
SV DISEASE: +3 (4) SV MAGIC: +10 (11) SV POISON: +3 (4)
Recommended level of 45.
WT: 17.0 Size: Large
Class: WAR CLR PAL SHD DRU BRD SHM
Race: ALL
Slot 1 type 2: empty
Slot 2 type 2: empty

And there in lies the problem. This item is far and away better then an item that drops from an Adept.

Don't get me wrong, if the Brawler's Bulwark lasted until 55, that'd be fine and dandy! It would have lasted at least 13 levels, and that's a good run for an item. I don't think it should be eclipsed nigh immediately, let alone have quest loot from the low 30's be superior.

Compare that to some level 12 adept loot that has lasted me 30 levels and will last me quite a few more before I replace it. I guess I've just come to expect Adept loot to have a longer shelf life as it were.

I don't want to feel like I'm beating a dead horse here, and I agree that it shouldn't be the be-all-end-all of shields, but.. I wish it felt like something worth pausing to get.
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i suppose part of the problem is with BoE's and other things, as with alot of SoD's early concept its just easily outdated and there is other stuff more easily accessible. The adpet gear is perectly fine and tuned for back in the days where people actually did adepts all the time and used them to progress. just not so much anymore and there isnt a whole lot you can do about it. honestly i think you're talkin to a broken stick but thats my opinion!
 
I thought this was a new adept though, released within the last year or so? Heck, the first kill of it was back in December, unless I miss read stuff about it.

Totally see where you're coming from, though.
 
Flynt said:
I thought this was a new adept though, released within the last year or so? Heck, the first kill of it was back in December, unless I miss read stuff about it.

Totally see where you're coming from, though.
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oh it might be i don't have a clue i took a year+ hiatus!
 
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