Bracelet of Raining Blades

to (a): It's a question of play style. In situations where it is desireable to rain, rain procs are amazing for the same reason you use rains to begin with. In situations where raining is not an option (mezzes...), rain procs are bad for the same reason you cant rain there. So I would have a replacement bracer (with a non-AE proc) in my bag for those cases. That is in fact what my guilds mage does.

to (b): I'd assume that the WIZ bracer proc would go off a bit more often, due to the higher listed proc rate (2.4% vs 2% per 100 mana) and due to the fact that wizard spells tend to cost a bit more mana. Considering that the MAG bracer proc hits multiple targets, I'd assume them to land close to each other, DPS-wise.
 
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Yeah something like this has pro's and Cons.

My paladin has a barcer that procs a 300 DD nuke you F'n Bet I'm pissed when that goes off while I'm trying to paci. but 95% of the time its great.
 
Don't encourage him, in about 2 months he'll have wiped CW like 100 times with his bracer and post a bunch of threads asking for just that.
 
The only real downside of that is if it procs and the mob dies before rain is finished and you end up raining yourself once or twice, but thats what murk beads are for.
 
ya pls leave the bracer as it is and get a rep one to switsh wen you have mezzd mobs
 
ya pls leave the bracer as it is and get a rep one to switsh wen you have mezzd mobs
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Well if Mez was the only problem then there would not be much of an issue.

Take a typical fight - say Remnants undead tunnels.
Tank pulls say 8 mobs - I go up and PBAoE - do not want procs because rains would hit me.

After a few are dead I pull away and start to rain - obviously I then want procs.
As Mob gets close to death I switch to Nukes - now do not want Proc again.
Mob dies switch back to rains - do want proc again.

The only real downside of that is if it procs and the mob dies before rain is finished and you end up raining yourself once or twice, but thats what murk beads are for
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Fine if your group healer is a cleric - not so good if it is a druid.

The ONLY time you want the bracer to proc is if you are also casting a rain.
Any other time you have a good reason that a rain is a bad idea.

My suggestion is that the bracer should proc the same type of spell that you are actually casting.

So if you are casting a PBAoE the proc should be a PBAoE.
If you are casting a Nuke then the proc should be a Nuke.
If you are casting a Rain the proc should be a Rain.

This would then put Mage back on a more even footing to other classes.

Comments?
 
Bridger said:
Well if Mez was the only problem then there would not be much of an issue.

Take a typical fight - say Remnants undead tunnels.
Tank pulls say 8 mobs - I go up and PBAoE - do not want procs because rains would hit me.

After a few are dead I pull away and start to rain - obviously I then want procs.
As Mob gets close to death I switch to Nukes - now do not want Proc again.
Mob dies switch back to rains - do want proc again.



Fine if your group healer is a cleric - not so good if it is a druid.

The ONLY time you want the bracer to proc is if you are also casting a rain.
Any other time you have a good reason that a rain is a bad idea.

My suggestion is that the bracer should proc the same type of spell that you are actually casting.

So if you are casting a PBAoE the proc should be a PBAoE.
If you are casting a Nuke then the proc should be a Nuke.
If you are casting a Rain the proc should be a Rain.

This would then put Mage back on a more even footing to other classes.

Comments?
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Get a swap bracer. If it is too hard for you to swap bracers as needed, skip this bracer entirely. No other mage THAT I KNOW OFF has any problem with this bracer, heck, the only mage I know that has this bracer wants it to be not changed.
 
Bridger said:
My suggestion is that the bracer should proc the same type of spell that you are actually casting.

So if you are casting a PBAoE the proc should be a PBAoE.
If you are casting a Nuke then the proc should be a Nuke.
If you are casting a Rain the proc should be a Rain.

This would then put Mage back on a more even footing to other classes.

Comments?
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I am not going to pretend to know anything about the code but this might be a difficult thing to implement, and if it were to mirror whatever spell the mage is casting then the proc rate would have to be abysmal compared to say the Wizard's class bracer (procs lure of flame - 640 DD @ 2.4% proc rate per 100 mana).. probably somewhere around 0.5-0.8% proc rate per 100 mana. With that being said, it doesn't really sound like it would be worth the work with the amount of additional balancing required.

If you are going to change the proc, maybe make it Shock of Swords @ 2.6-2.7% proc rate per 100 mana OR if you want to go a different route I think maybe adding Mala as a proc @ 100% proc rate similar to the Enchanter bracer would be pretty neat.
 
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Nwaij said:
Get a swap bracer. If it is too hard for you to swap bracers as needed, skip this bracer entirely. No other mage THAT I KNOW OFF has any problem with this bracer, heck, the only mage I know that has this bracer wants it to be not changed.
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If I recall, Wizard bracer used to have a rain proc and I didn't see you make a post complaining that it changed to a Lure (DD).
 
I have have this bracer and I have problems with it, I've been meaning to do a write up but will give a proper response later.
 
Obscenitor said:
If I recall, Wizard bracer used to have a rain proc and I didn't see you make a post complaining that it changed to a Lure (DD).
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It was a PB AE, not a rain. You also didn't see me make a post to get it changed to a single target spell either though. And having a person who has the item telling me it is fine as is, while a person who doesn't have me trying to get it changed seems odd at best.
 
Bridger said:
The ONLY time you want the bracer to proc is if you are also casting a rain.
Any other time you have a good reason that a rain is a bad idea.

My suggestion is that the bracer should proc the same type of spell that you are actually casting.

So if you are casting a PBAoE the proc should be a PBAoE.
If you are casting a Nuke then the proc should be a Nuke.
If you are casting a Rain the proc should be a Rain.

This would then put Mage back on a more even footing to other classes.

Comments?
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I am not 100% sure but if I was to guess I would say that would be impossible for 2 reasons.

1) Bracer procs only look at 2 things Spell Type (Detrimental or Beneficial) and Mana cost
2) I think I recall reading somewhere there is a lot of restrictions on items. One of them being number of effects any given item has.

I feel you're under the assumption that the class bracers from spires should be or are super-amazing-never-replace-omg items.

Do not get me wrong some of the class bracers are better then others, this is clear. Enchanter bracer is hands down one of the best items they can ever get since with one item it gives the enchanter a free gem slot. However, Looking at the other bracers, they are mainly good for their skill mod and the procs are just a "cool" factor.

I really see no problem at all with a bracer that is situational. Items that you swap in and out is what makes gear in everquest more fun then just the wow items that just have ++ more gooder stats.

If any class should be making a post like this it should be clerics, but they are such an amazing class that having to read about them complaining about anything would just be funny.

Necro class bracer is also almost instantly replaced by other bracers with the same proc. Perhaps you should feel happy about having a class bracer with (for the time being) some longevity even if you have to take it out from time to time.

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Obscenitor said:
I think maybe adding Mala as a proc @ 100% proc rate similar to the Enchanter bracer would be pretty neat.
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I feel that this would be far too good and would fall under the "never going to replace until the effect is copied on another bracer" item
 
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Nwaij said:
It was a PB AE, not a rain. You also didn't see me make a post to get it changed to a single target spell either though. And having a person who has the item telling me it is fine as is, while a person who doesn't have me trying to get it changed seems odd at best.
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I didn't imply that you posted to get it changed. However, the fact that you didn't post to complain about it gives off the message that you agree with the change. The fact of the matter is, a DD wrist proc is useful in every situation where you would be casting on a mob (and not all DD only type situations can be anticipated) making it inherently better than any type of AOE or Rain proc in regard to benefit derived.

I am not sure why you are jumping down Bridger's throat about this suggestion other than the fact that you have vehemently disagreed with his suggestions in the past.
 
Obscenitor said:
I am not sure why you are jumping down Bridger's throat about this suggestion other than the fact that you have vehemently disagreed with his suggestions in the past.
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Perhaps I am doing the same thing. I do feel the topic is valid however even if replies could have been different if the post was made by someone else (possibly someone with the item already - NOT to say posts should only be made about items one has).

That being said...

putting a DD on bracers that are geared for Wizards, Mages, Necros, Rangers, Beastlords, Bard
putting a De-Buff on bracers that are geared for Enchanters
putting a group heal on bracers that are geared for Clerics, Druids, Shamans
putting a ++hate on bracers that are geared for Shadowknight and Paladin

while also having good stats will always make said bracer desirable, and not situation. However, I do not feel this should discourage Dev's from making items such as Bracelet of Heedless Destruction or the item this thread is about.
 
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I do not have this bracer, but think it is fine as is, but if a change was to be made i fully support the 100% malo cast.
 
So are you unable to resist your own rain procs or something? I cannot really imagine this is that big of a deal if you can. Its a zero resist adjust magic based spell. I have had bracers that break mez for over two years and have never posted to complain about this because I just dealt with it and the issue is really really minor in the whole scope of things.

Unless you really cant resist this and its going off every other cast I really have trouble seeing where you would not want this spell to cast. There are very few situations where mez or hp balancing comes into play at this tier and you must certainly should know when they are coming


Bridger said:
The ONLY time you want the bracer to proc is if you are also casting a rain.
Any other time you have a good reason that a rain is a bad idea.
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This is where I disagree, the damage is minimal and you should really be able to resist this spell every time it hits you anyway.
 
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I think this thread is going the wrong direction. The question that should be asked is: "Why are mages the only DPS class that have to swap out their class bracer?" I have nothing against rain procs, I just think it is silly that Mages have to swap out their class bracer when Rangers, Bards, Wizards, Necros etc. never have to.
 
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