Bard song changes 12-10-2010

Rrowrr

Dalayan Beginner
Personal opinion regarding the Bard song changes:

For raids, two Bards are now more useful.

For groups and solo-duo, one Bard is less useful.

Makes Hymn of the Saviour useful. I never used HotS before, but now have reason to. Using HotS, along with Pot4, Firey Warcry, and one other beneficial song (MotS or Regen, or whatever) makes one Bard less useful, while making Two Bards more desirable in raids.

Makes Pot4 pretty much a raid buff. No longer as useful for group or solo-duo stuff, due to dropping the AC and DS. If we're dropping the AC/DS then balancing with an increase in resists... and I'd call this a workable change.

MotS is still useful, but less so. In a caster heavy high tier fight, a few extra AC means very little in contrast with damage reduction from high DD mob attacks. If the point was to take AC from Pot4 and place it on MotS to make having two Bards more useful, then I guess I kinda see a point to it. What would actually make MotS really useful would be to drop the AC component and expand damage reduction to include all magical type attacks from DoTs as well as DDs.

Anthem of Command had a longer recast time already that the lesser charm. Increasing recast is detriment to me using it effectively, other than for very short fights where I don't have to worry about having to recast it in the middle. This is kinda sad in that I have looked forward to this valuable song for a long time.
 
I've already said my peace about this but.

The best way to put these changes is.. the low tiers are a totally different game than the high tiers. Those low tiers are effected by these changes--the high tiers really aren't.

Unless they wanted to nerf bards at the low tiers where they weren't so impressive I don't understand these changes.

And runic anthem of command has always sucked.
 
I just played our guild bard today on a PoFire Pug. Pot4/Mots Combo pretty much will function as it always has. Mots lasted for as long as I needed it too for Mephitkalia, I forgot to turn it off though and ended up OOM about 2 minutes after the mob died though. Pot4 is not used only for resists. The only song I pretty much want to have up for trash that doesn't AoE is Relic Overhaste. I'm at a loss for what the 2nd beneficial song should be. Hymn of the Savior seems to have a 4% (non scaling?) heal focus to it which is pretty cool, but the regen that Lceas provides might end up being better I'm not really sure.


The way Mots works now Bards mana is going to be seriously raped 24/7 and with JB working the way it does on bards, that is not working at all, its going to suck. But I'll wait until we do ToT where there are some real AoEs to pass final judgement.

Also I heard that filling up the spell bar with 6 buffs will crash the zone is this actually true? If so that basically makes 2 bards on a raid terrible with the new druid HoTs stacking the way they do. 2songs + 2songs + 2Hots = 6buffs :(
 
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Also I heard that filling up the spell bar with 6 buffs will crash the zone is this actually true? If so that basically makes 2 bards on a raid terrible with the new druid HoTs stacking the way they do. 2songs + 2songs + 2Hots = 6buffs :(

No, 7 will crash a zone though, or it used to. Also, I think you meant song box "buffs".

Also, "-Relic: Melody of the Shield has been reduced in efficacy to 15% and given a mana cost to the bard. Moderate AC has also been added to the song." Wouldn't this make some raid encounters, especially AE heavy ones, harder (e.g. need of rebalance)?

edit: Nvm, I just read the "We have tweaked around multiple bard Relics in the name of balance." part, I guess most of those encounters were deemed too easy with the old MOTS.
 
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Oh OK so having six song "buffs" is still OK. Then my theory about having a 2nd bard to always be able to play Relic overhaste will add more DPS to the raid then having another well geared DPS might be true yet!
 
Oh OK so having six song "buffs" is still OK. Then my theory about having a 2nd bard to always be able to play Relic overhaste will add more DPS to the raid then having another well geared DPS might be true yet!

It is true.

And really...
Tarhyl's/Regen
Tarhyl's/Murk
Tarhyl's/Pot4 if you need resists
Tarhyls/Mots in some places where spells are unresistable

If you didn't know it Relic Lcea's gives 5 overcap ft, and gives any necro in your raid 23 FT. Not playing it is silly.

That is in a single bard situation. In a double bard situation..

Tarhyls/regen 100% of the time
Pot4/Blade Master
Pot4/Niv's Harmonic
Pot4/Murk
Pot4/mots
Pot4/Hymn maybe? (I'm not quite sure how many places hymn is applicable, just because other songs are still probably better most of the time, unless it's shit that hits really freaking hard, which there's not much of till t9 or 10, corefire excluded)

Really in any raid zone < t9 pot4/tarhyls all day every day is pretty much the way to go still because 80% of trash ae's. And they wonder why pot4 was played so much...
 
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