Bard charms and dot crits.

[Rovans]

I dont know if this was intentional or an oversight, but the +spell crit mods you get from the Eternal Charm of Divinity and the Supreme Charm of Valor dont seem to effect bard dot crits.

After purchasing my Supreme charm a couple months back I didnt notice much of a dps improvement on parser as I would have expected from recieving the +spell crits so I started to suspect that the mod didnt effect bard dots. Taking the charm on and off and seeing if there was a noticable difference in dot crits didnt seem to show any difference. But I wanted to be sure before I made a post here so I took a low level alt bard and popped a searfire into him and let his dot autopulse on him for something over 100 ticks without a crit.

Can this be fixxed please?

 

[Rovans]

Also on a side note I wanted to get confirmation that the Tome of Critical Evocation I tome line effected bard dots before I started working on it. Also will the new spell crits being considered for implementation into racial traits effect bard dots?

For example:
WOOD ELF
Infravision
Friendly To Animals
+2% Increased Movement Speed when Outdoors
-20% Duration to Mez and Charms targeting the player
+1.5% Critical Spell and Melee during the day
+1.5% Riposte chance during the day
50 or +10% after 50 to Forage
50 or +10% after 50 to Hide

 

[Rorne]

Good place to post here that the various +Elemental damage tomes don't affect bard songs and while I understand in theory as they are extensions of elemental focuses that also means that bards can not make up for a fair amount of damage they lost when the codices of power were changed.

 

[kibeth]

Bards are already massively powerful, quit crying!

But on a serious note, it does same quite lame that +spell crit mods don't effect bards. If you spend that much on a charm you should by all means receive the bonuses.

 

[cyryllis]

Not all classes will benefit from every aspect of a charm. At least the massive hp, ac, stun resist, resists, etc. on the charm are damn good. iirc, +spell crit and damage focuses are only meant to affect spells that cost mana and weapon/armor procs.

 

[Latten]

Not all classes will benefit from every aspect of a charm. At least the massive hp, ac, stun resist, resists, etc. on the charm are damn good. iirc, +spell crit and damage focuses are only meant to affect spells that cost mana and weapon/armor procs.

Bard nukes costs mana.


Also im curious if that Tome of crittical evocation 1 works on bard dots. The book says it works on dots.

 

[Rorne]

Being that elemental damage on dots gets broken up by duration, and Bard dots can be as long or as short as you want them, it's hard to think of any good way to work that in without getting way more out of it than other class's dots do.

I was talking about the tomes ie: +2% to fire spells etc. Also in case you didn't realize elemental damage on armor is already applying to bard songs.

 

[Rovans]

Also, if bard dots are able to crit at all, then every dot crit increase effect would apply, because there is no division between all the things that give you dot crit chance (including that tome thing); they all happen in the same place after the same single check.

I think bard dots are viewed by the game differently tho b/c I just went out and leveled my GFs bard to lvl 30 (when they get their first single target dot), slapped a searfire on her and let the dot pulse on my druid for a full hour without getting a single crit. I used her bard as a test subject since she didnt have the spell crit aa's and would make the best test subject. Since searfires and +spell crits on charms work the same way and are in the same stacking line im assuming that since searfires wont work the charms wont give any benefit either in that department.

Not all classes will benefit from every aspect of a charm. At least the massive hp, ac, stun resist, resists, etc. on the charm are damn good. iirc, +spell crit and damage focuses are only meant to affect spells that cost mana and weapon/armor procs.

Well obviously the warriors and monks wont be getting any spell crits (well apart from procs) and the int based casters will likely not benefit from the melee crits but I dont see any reason we shouldnt be able to benefit from the spell crits like any of the other hybrid melee's who also have offensive spell lines (SK, BST, RNG, PAL). Even the caster charm gives the casters +spell crits and +melee crits.

HP/AC/Resists/the other active effects are great and all but they can all be made up for in gear obtainable from raiding/quests. As a bard its the +spell crits that is the only truely unique reward to show for all the work you putt into farming that charm.

 

[Rovans]

Thanks Zae

 

[Stonewalljack]

So spell casting fury does cause bard dot spongs to crit? I had been holding off on getting it thinking it only applied to bard DD's songs that cost magic.

 

[Rovans]

Yeah, spell casting fury aa does effect bard dot crits. I usually suggest doing that spell line relatively soon for bards as its beneficial both for grouping and for kiting.

I notice the wiki does say:
"This ability gives you a chance to land critical hits with your direct damage spells. The ability levels increase your chance to score a critical by 2, 4, and 7 percent."

But if you read it in the Alternate Advancement tab in game you'll see it says direct damage and damage over time. Also no restrictions about songs that cost mana mentioned.

 

[Rrowrr]

Being that elemental damage on dots gets broken up by duration, and Bard dots can be as long or as short as you want them, it's hard to think of any good way to work that in without getting way more out of it than other class's dots do.

Missed this discussion, so sorry if this is old news by now.


I guess since Bards primary thing is "songs" then I don't see why it is a problem for Bards to get a bit more benefit out of Song crits over what other classes may get.