backstab formula changes?

[Manguadi]

So, for me backstabs have always been a multiple of 10, meaning they all end in 0s. Except for chaotic stabs, which are multiples of 5, so end in 0 or 5.

Except for today. Today I can backstab for 2391, 1534, 4368 and all sorts of crazy numbers.

Has this formula changed? If so, how?

edit: logs and other player's logs confirm. Although an alarming number of rogues apparently have never noticed that their backstabs always end in 0.

 

[Dynak]

This was changed to make sure Rangers are still #1 melee DPS.

:tinfoil:

 

[Cyzaine]

No changes were made to backstab formula in the last patch. In fact I can't find any record of it changing in the last 6 months (didn't check further back than that). You sure you didn't just get some upgrade or AA or something?

 

[GuiardoTuneweaver]

2006:
eqlog_macques_.txt:[Sat Jul 22 01:28:24 2006] You backstab a scaled temple wolf for 12 points of damage.
2007:
eqlog_macques_.txt:[Fri Jan 19 23:16:11 2007] You backstab a hill giant for 39 points of damage.
eqlog_macques_.txt:[Sun May 13 17:12:34 2007] You backstab a froglok retainer for 94 points of damage.
2008:
eqlog_macques_.txt:[Sat Feb 09 14:17:14 2008] You backstab a bloodclaw soothsayer for 324 points of damage.
eqlog_macques_.txt:[Fri May 30 23:34:20 2008] You backstab a froglok anointed for 644 points of damage.
eqlog_macques_.txt:[Sat Aug 09 18:06:14 2008] You backstab an iksar skeleton for 959 points of damage.
eqlog_macques_.txt:[Thu Dec 11 21:33:04 2008] You backstab an undead keep guard for 301 points of damage.
2009:
eqlog_macques_.txt:[Tue Jan 27 21:40:23 2009] You backstab a fire imp for 816 points of damage.

Never been consistently ending in 0. Probably depends on your atk and weapon damage as to what numbers it gets rounded to.

 

[Manguadi]

2006:
eqlog_macques_.txt:[Sat Jul 22 01:28:24 2006] You backstab a scaled temple wolf for 12 points of damage.
2007:
eqlog_macques_.txt:[Fri Jan 19 23:16:11 2007] You backstab a hill giant for 39 points of damage.
eqlog_macques_.txt:[Sun May 13 17:12:34 2007] You backstab a froglok retainer for 94 points of damage.
2008:
eqlog_macques_.txt:[Sat Feb 09 14:17:14 2008] You backstab a bloodclaw soothsayer for 324 points of damage.
eqlog_macques_.txt:[Fri May 30 23:34:20 2008] You backstab a froglok anointed for 644 points of damage.
eqlog_macques_.txt:[Sat Aug 09 18:06:14 2008] You backstab an iksar skeleton for 959 points of damage.
eqlog_macques_.txt:[Thu Dec 11 21:33:04 2008] You backstab an undead keep guard for 301 points of damage.
2009:
eqlog_macques_.txt:[Tue Jan 27 21:40:23 2009] You backstab a fire imp for 816 points of damage.

Never been consistently ending in 0. Probably depends on your atk and weapon damage as to what numbers it gets rounded to.

I have logs going back hundreds of hours that verify backstab does in end 0 for higher-end rogues. I verified this with Ponden's logs from months ago, and eyates from earlier that day. This has always been true for rogues at level 65 with the improved backstab 3 AA using at least a 17 damage dagger or better, and possibly other daggers but guaranteed for these scenarios.

 

[brasileira]

I have logs going back hundreds of hours that verify backstab does in end 0 for higher-end rogues. I verified this with Ponden's logs from months ago, and eyates from earlier that day. This has always been true for rogues at level 65 with the improved backstab 3 AA using at least a 17 damage dagger or better, and possibly other daggers but guaranteed for these scenarios.

randomness hit you all?

The odds are there...you 3 shoul go to vegas!

 

[Ikaa|LoveYums]

[Wed Dec 24 09:54:25 2008] You backstab fallen guardian, a for 1938 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 24 09:54:49 2008] You backstab fallen guardian, a for 358 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 24 09:54:55 2008] You backstab fallen guardian, a for 558 points of damage.
[Wed Dec 24 09:55:00 2008] You backstab fallen guardian, a for 1278 points of damage.


I didnt look hard, or at much, but sorry, it doesnt always end in 0. None of these were finishing blows, or assassinates, which of course would skew the numbers.

 

[Manguadi]

You should have noticed that essentially all of your backstabs were ending in 0. I'm investigating the possibly of an enthann holiday now, because as of today they are ending in 0s again.

edit: Found nothing. Something happened yesterday and then unhappened today. I checked yesterday on both Toshie and Weal and got similar, non-0 numbers. Today, both get 0s again. Always. Every backstab.

 

[Otcho]

I am pretty sure mine always ended with random numbers until recently , Ill load my old old logs and see but all of mine as of late have been ending with 0 , including yesterday.

[Mon Sep 22 10:30:23 2008] You backstab a watchful imp for 1220 points of damage.
[Mon Sep 22 11:21:15 2008] Banjimen backstabs an efreeti blademaster for 630 points of damage.
[Mon Sep 22 11:21:15 2008] You backstab an efreeti blademaster for 1100 points of damage.
[Mon Sep 22 11:22:12 2008] You backstab an incarnation of lava for 580 points of damage.
[Mon Sep 22 11:23:30 2008] Banjimen backstabs an incarnation of lava for 2940 points of damage.

 

[XPMaster]

I also noticed that all backstabs, even non-crits were ending in 0. I'll check again today, unless some formula changed for some odd reason, it should still be ending in 0's.

Edit: Yeah, noticing the same here: 2802, miss, 1392, 971, 1769, 1314, miss, miss, 1971...

 

[Otcho]

I apparently deleted my older logs but from what I can see before whatever program I use to open a 300 mb log file crashes , most of the other rogues are following the end in 0 trend.

I can't find the ones where I grouped with ikaa though :dumbsad:

NOT AGREEING WITH IKAA LOGS FOUND:

[Wed Jan 07 22:50:50 2009] Ikaa backstabs a loyal failure for 940 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 07 22:51:23 2009] Ikaa backstabs a loyal failure for 2330 points of damage.
[Wed Jan 07 22:53:36 2009] Ikaa backstabs an exorcised machine for 1630 points of damage.
etc forever.

ay. This has always been true for rogues at level 65 with the improved backstab 3 AA

I think this is the case , all of the rogues I see doing it have 15-17 damage daggers but the very few that dont show it in my logs are ones I recall being notoriously bad and not buying/having the aa. (rykke lol)

 

[Manguadi]

Backstabbing for numbers ending in 0 is not news.

What is news is why, yesterday evening, it suddenly stopped and then started again today.

edit: I'm going through mang's mega-log that goes back to 2007 and I'm going to look at fights where I grouped with toshie when it was still real toshie. When I met him he was using a 15 or 16 damage dagger and almost assuredly had the backstab AAs.

edit2: I have 117 logged backstabs of Ikaa all ending in 0 as well.

edit3: I have literally thousands of backstabs of Toshie from on-tier pot to valora to OP and beyond all ending in 0 except for a single crazy exception:

Denos, Chosen of Enthann has random backstab numbers. It occured on April 1, 2008at 8pm pst. However on Aken and the raid trash, he is backstabbing again for normal damage. This seems to be the only oddity with the exception of yesterday.

edit4: Noting whelm's response, this still doesn't explain why I was getting weird backstabs on spiders and skeletons and bats and snakes last night.

edit5: Regular expressions are teh sex. No other examples of non-0 backstabs appear in my logs.

 

[whelm]

in support of manguadi, all of my backstabs typically end in 0, with the exception of fighting some ValorB nameds (and a few other mobs) that have damage reduction or something to that effect. i wasnt on to experience the recent odd backstab damage, but it's definitely noticeable when it happens.