A request regarding the Ytrazliarch quest

Danku

Danku

Dalayan Beginner
Could this possibly be checked for updating? I have been reviewing the quest lately and have noticed that it requires faction jumping that is nearly impossible with the faction system changes.

And before anyone rips on me for not looking at past threads, I have searched and seen the past threads on this. They were all quite old with no mention of resolution to the problem of faction. I am all for a hard quest for a good reward, but to make it nearly impossible to do without damaging the faction of an entire guild seems excessive by any measure.

Perhaps have 2 versions of the quest, one done all on dragon faction and one done all on giant faction. Plenty of NPC's out there to use. One reward could be a 1hb and the other the 1hs or some such. Just a possible solution.

Thank you for your time.
 
Danku said:
Could this possibly be checked for updating? I have been reviewing the quest lately and have noticed that it requires faction jumping that is nearly impossible with the faction system changes.
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How does it require faction jumping?
 
Maybe trashing is a better word than jumping.

Mithril Ore- KoS to Thurgadin after killing enough miners for that

kill Lady Rosaline(Dragon) - To reach this step you must speak with another dragon, Lady Adrecia, then kill Lady Rosaline

Faeth the Guardian- think also dragon faction hit

Frost King Rymaz Sunbane in Stormkeep- Giant faction hit


People at the stage of the game who would use/need Ytrazliarch are in guilds that are aligned with one or the other.  This quest requires killing on both sides of the fence.  So, after someone has collected 200 FG heads you will ask them to go redo X amount of them.  Worse than that, you will be asking 18 of them to do that.  Let's say that to make up the dragon faction hit you need 100 heads (random number, no clue how bad it is)...100x18=1800 frost giant heads

Or the flip side, there are 3 guilds dragon aligned.  Not much to get together to kill the frost king.  I am sure it could be done, but doesnt it seem a bit excessive?

And I know that there is always the option of asking giant aligned guilds to help you with the dragon kills, but why would they say yes?  What is their motivation?

After looking into this quest, I am finding myself frustrated is all.  I  would like to do it with my warrior and did a few steps in it but I see no way I will be able to finish it.

Another point I see to make me think that this needs reviewed is that the number of changes to the server rules since this quest was put in is huge. Maybe this is one of the many things that needed rebalancing but was never gotten too.
 
Or you could do it right -

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Mithril Ore- Rogue Miners in deep thurgadin don't give negative faction.

Lady Rosaline - Only negative dragon hit

Faeth the Guardian- No negative hit

Frost King Rymaz Sunbane in Stormkeep- It's a dragon based faction quest, after all.
 
Giant aligned people have to get to at least non-kos status with Lady Adrecia to go through the dialog. This means at the very least not being able to participate in dragon-killing with their guild while they earn enough dragon faction. They either have to become KOS to thurg (I'm told this is a way to raise dragon faction), or kill the giants that they have likely spent a huge amount of time gaining faction with.

Then have to find a way to kill King Rymaz Sunbane, either using another guild, or taking huge faction hits for 18 people in the guild.

And while "It's a dragon based faction quest, after all", there is no giant-aligned alternative for an extremely useful tank weapon. Also, the quest was designed and implemented before changing factions was made extremely difficult.

This quest is now in complete contradiction with all the changes made to encourage picking a faction and sticking with it (factioning being harder, faction binding equipment, etc).

I don't see how needing to play both sides of the faction wall can be considered "doing it right".
 
I never said you had to play both sides of the faction. It's a quest meant for players on DRAGON FACTION, not flip-floppers.
 
Mythryn said:
I never said you had to play both sides of the faction. It's a quest meant for players on DRAGON FACTION, not flip-floppers.
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No, it's not. It's not aligned with any specific faction, you just have to get help from the dragons. It's definitely easiest if you're dragon faction, but it's not meant as a dragon quest.
 
Wiz said:
No, it's not. It's not aligned with any specific faction, you just have to get help from the dragons. It's definitely easiest if you're dragon faction, but it's not meant as a dragon quest.
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What? That doesn't even make sense. You have to have some form of neutral or positive Dragon faction to complete the quest. By the time you can complete the quest (ie killing Faeth) you'll be in a raid guild that has started killing either lesser Dragons, or lesser Giants, and if your guild isn't killing giants, you have to step out of the raids, or work on the faction on your own to get the Dragon faction up to complete the quest at all. The fact that you can't stay ally with Giants and do the quest makes this a Dragon quest.
And you say it's not meant as a Dragon quest, but you have to kill the leader of the Giant faction? yeah....
 
So, with all that being said and all of the changes that were made (for instance, EW is 10x harder now than when quest was newly made), will it get reviewed for updating possibly?

It is a wonderful weapon and tool for any tank that can weild it, I just hope it is a touch more accessible is all.

Thanks for the time with looking at this.
 
You have to have a lot of positive factions like Centaurs to complete the MQ, does that mean the MQ is centaur aligned. :psyduck:

The quest is given out by Neutral characters, requiring indifferent faction to dragons for one step is hardly "dragon aligned".

You could call it "not giant ally friendly", certainly.
 
its abit off topic but... Some members of my guild are abit on a teeter totter of what faction we should do.
And since its not hard at all to get indifferent faction with either side, what does it take to kill Frostbane the king ?
I mean like, does it take a full out 18 man raid? 500 hitter or something? Or can I bring a smaller 12 non raid geared group to off him?
Since I'm not ally yet, I've no trouble trashing some giant faction as it only takes a week or so of killing dragons in WW to bring it back if i chose to do so.
And the hand ins for Lady Adrecia and Lady Rosaline, will dubious work? or Indifferent is required?
 
Rymaz Flurries(?) for ~500, recommend 5.5k hp base tank with full defensive AA's, also does a single target knockback. 16-18 people geared with lower tier (DFS, WW dragons, EDHK dragons, adept and tmap drops) shouldn't have a problem with him, it's just a tank and spank. Might want to have 4-6 healers present, the rest DPS.
 
What kind of faction hit would you take from giants if you are ally with them and decide to kill King Rymaz + his adds (probably splittable...never attempted). Like he said, there is no motivation for another guild to let you tag along to loot king rymaz probably leaving him to do it with his own guild who will all take faction hits. If a majority of his guildies already faction bound their armor there is no way they're going to risk losing a large chunk of their armor for one ytraz. It just seems unrealistic to do this with giant faction.
 
IIRC, killing rymaz, his two bodyguards, the roamer and the two other giants near the sides (not the random noble/caster whatevers) you go from max ally to KoS, and those mobs pretty much have to die. There is another roamer that goes up the steps and whatnot, but he doesn't have to be killed.
 
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