A lot of class/quest questions

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kraum

Dalayan Beginner
My main is currently a bard,who from my understanding is on if many. This may cause problems in the future when trying to get a raid but idk. I have narrowed it down to two classes that I have not played on live.But, because i have never played them, I know very little about them.Thanks for all help in advance.
1.Are the stats on various beaslord pets different?
2.Do different beastlord pets have different attack speeds?dmg?bash,kick,etc
3.Is the troll bstlors pet here the same as the one on live
4.Can beastlords solo at all?Do they have to be uber twinked t odo so?At what level can they start soloing
5Can a beastlords pet able to hold agro?
5.Are bstlords wanted in raids?
6.Do the pet strength items make a huge difference?
7.What stats shoud i focus on?Dex/str?
8.What should i put my spec points in?
9.What race do you reccomend?

Rogues
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1. How does the dmg of a arogue compare to that of others?
2. At what level can they do a decent amount of dmg?
3. Are they wanted in groyps?
4. How well do the traps work out?How much dmg do the traps do?Do they have any stun effects
5. Is picklock actually usefull here?
6. would i need to be uber equiped for the average group to recrute me?
7. Are rogues wanted in raids?
7. How does the whole assassination bit work?What level can i start performing them?
8. What race would you reccomend?
7. What stats should i focus on?

Ranger
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1.What stats should i focus on?
2.What level does bow kiteing become effective?
3. At lower levels, should i use a bow instead melle?At higher levels?
4. Are rangers wanted in raids?
5. What stats should i focus on?

Wizard
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1. How does a wizard dmg compare to that of others?
2. What spec should i put points in?
3. What level ca na wizard quad kite?
4. Are wizards wanted in groups?At what level?
5. Are wizards wanted in raids?

Druid
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1. How efective is dot kiteing here?
2. How well does the bear per work here?
4.Are druids wanted in groups?
5. Are druids wanted in raids?

Shaman
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1. Can a shaman solo?
2.What is the role of a shaman in a group?
3.Are shamans wanted in raids?
4.Is the shamans wolf pet usefull at higher levels?(solo,group,raid)

Paladin
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1.Is the rold of a paladin to tank?
2.Should i use a 2hander or a 1hander/shield?
3.What level do paladin start getting group invites?
4.When can a paladin tank as well as a warripr...ever?
5.How bad is the dps of a pally?

Shadowknight
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1.What is the role of a shadowknight here?

Enchanter
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Has the duration f charms been reduced here?

Quests
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1. What level can i start the main quest?Finish it?What are the rewards of the main quest?
2. What are some have to do lower level quests?

Gear
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1. Were can i get some lower level recover/hp regen gear?
2. How much does ac effect dmg here?Is it near useless as it was on live :what:

thank you :dance: ...i'll edit th post for spelling and gramar in a few hours
 
kraum said:
Wizard
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1. How does a wizard dmg compare to that of others?
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Wizards do the highest burst DPS in game.
2. What spec should i put points in?
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focus/mind, energy/defense, sight/warding. Allthoug the effect of E/D is nice for DPS, as a WIZ, you run oom all time. So go with F/M to use up less mana.
3. What level ca na wizard quad kite?
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None. Targeted AEs hit only up to 3 targets. First snare comes at somewhere in the 20s.
4. Are wizards wanted in groups?At what level?
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Depends a bit on where to go and wich classes are present, but in general wizards are wanted. (Exception: Undercaves)
5. Are wizards wanted in raids?
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Yes

Quests
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1. What level can i start the main quest?Finish it?What are the rewards of the main quest?
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Start: uh, techically at level 1.
Finish: quest not fully implemented yet. The part implemented yet can be finished somewhere in the 60s.
Reward: Gemstone of the High Seeker, Faction Aug (the 2 best Augs in game)
 
kraum said:
1.Are the stats on various beaslord pets different?no
2.Do different beastlord pets have different attack speeds?dmg?bash,kick,etc
3.Is the troll bstlors pet here the same as the one on liveyes
4.Can beastlords solo at all?Do they have to be uber twinked t odo so?At what level can they start soloingyes any class can solo but will it be efficent i dont know
5Can a beastlords pet able to hold agro?unsure
5.Are bstlords wanted in raids?yes
6.Do the pet strength items make a huge difference?yes
7.What stats shoud i focus on?Dex/str?sta/agi/dex/str i think in that order
8.What should i put my spec points in?put them in the weapon type you will be mainly useing(h2h i think)
9.What race do you reccomend?i think ive seen 1 troll bst on the server so if you wana be dif go with that

Rogues
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1. How does the dmg of a arogue compare to that of others?at the moment rogues are top melee dmg
2. At what level can they do a decent amount of dmg?as soon as the get back stab and a dagger lvl 14 if i rember correctly is somewere around there
3. Are they wanted in groyps?yes killer dps that dosent go oom
4. How well do the traps work out?How much dmg do the traps do?Do they have any stun effectsa rouge will have to answer this
5. Is picklock actually usefull here?picklock is very usefull if you do tmaps at all and they are a great way to gear up
6. would i need to be uber equiped for the average group to recrute me?nope
7. Are rogues wanted in raids?yes
7. How does the whole assassination bit work?What level can i start performing them?i believe its an aa but should be around 65 if not
8. What race would you reccomend?unfortunetly i hate them but gnomes get focus/haste bonuses for the haste/focus items i beleive its 10% so ya
7. What stats should i focus on?agi / dex / sta

Ranger
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1.What stats should i focus on?depends how you want to play the class ac/sta if your a tank ranger or dex/agi for dps
2.What level does bow kiteing become effective?when you get returning shot
3. At lower levels, should i use a bow instead melee?At higher levels?primarly untill you start getting good bows and decent arrows stick to melee but after that you can switch around very easy depending on the mob
4. Are rangers wanted in raids?yes
5. What stats should i focus on?see #1

Wizard
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1. How does a wizard dmg compare to that of others?wiz burst dmg is uncompareable
2. What spec should i put points in?int/cha
3. What level ca na wizard quad kite?never quad spells are 3 targets only and when you get your first one but its much easyer to pull 1 and bring that one down get outa combat regen mana and do the same
4. Are wizards wanted in groups?At what level?yes allways
5. Are wizards wanted in raids?yes allways(we run 2 normaly)

Druid
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1. How efective is dot kiteing here?not that well stick to dot nuke nuke nuke kiteing
2. How well does the bear per work here?better then live but still lol funny cute pet
4.Are druids wanted in groups?yes versatility ftw
5. Are druids wanted in raids?yes healers debuff and if needed some dps(come on its me answering you all knew this was coming)

Shaman
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1. Can a shaman solo?yes
2.What is the role of a shaman in a group?debuff slow heal dot
3.Are shamans wanted in raids?best slow in the game yep they are
4.Is the shamans wolf pet usefull at higher levels?(solo,group,raid)a little bit above druid bear pet

Paladin
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1.Is the rold of a paladin to tank?yes
2.Should i use a 2hander or a 1hander/shield?have both if someone better equiped comes to tank use that 2hander
3.What level do paladin start getting group invites?at all levels if your lucky it very much depends if there are people on in your lvl range
4.When can a paladin tank as well as a warripr...ever?never
5.How bad is the dps of a pally?not to bad but dont count on it for dps

Shadowknight
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1.What is the role of a shadowknight here?tank

Enchanter
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Has the duration f charms been reduced here?no but when your charm a mob it gets alot weaker

Quests
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1. What level can i start the main quest?Finish it?What are the rewards of the main quest?mq goes from talking with people to a lvl 55+ zone so best to work on as you grow in levels
2. What are some have to do lower level quests? newport ring is nice but nothing you have to do but there are alot of quests out there

Gear
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1. Were can i get some lower level recover/hp regen gear?save up and look around on listsold for some deals
2. How much does ac effect dmg here?Is it near useless as it was on live :what:ac was useless on live ????? wtf live were you playing ac was at least 1-10 on live id say its about the same here if your looking to tank go ac first then hp

thank you :dance: ...i'll edit th post for spelling and gramar in a few hours
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that took a while lol
 
Rogues
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1. How does the dmg of a arogue compare to that of others?
Best Melee dps, highest consistent dps.

2. At what level can they do a decent amount of dmg?
When they get Backstab.

3. Are they wanted in groyps?
Yes

4. How well do the traps work out?How much dmg do the traps do?Do they have any stun effects.
No clue, mostly a fluff addition to the game.

5. Is picklock actually usefull here?
Kind of.

6. would i need to be uber equiped for the average group to recrute me?
Not really.

7. Are rogues wanted in raids?
Yes.

7. How does the whole assassination bit work?What level can i start performing them?
It's an aa ability.

8. What race would you reccomend?
Dwarf.

7. What stats should i focus on?
Str/Dex/all resists

Ranger
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1.What stats should i focus on?
Str/Dex/all resists

2.What level does bow kiteing become effective?
Not sure.

3. At lower levels, should i use a bow instead melle?At higher levels?
Dependson the gear and what you're killing.

4. Are rangers wanted in raids?
Yes


Wizard
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1. How does a wizard dmg compare to that of others?
Highest burst and total dps in the game by leaps and bounds.

2. What spec should i put points in?
+spell damage and lower spell resists

3. What level ca na wizard quad kite?
They don't, anymore.

4. Are wizards wanted in groups?At what level?
Yes

5. Are wizards wanted in raids?
Yes. till you hit the class cap.

Druid
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1. How efective is dot kiteing here?
2. How well does the bear per work here?
4.Are druids wanted in groups?
Yes
5. Are druids wanted in raids?
Yes

Shaman
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1. Can a shaman solo?
All classes can.

2.What is the role of a shaman in a group?
Debuffer / Buffer / Healer

3.Are shamans wanted in raids?
Yes

4.Is the shamans wolf pet usefull at higher levels?(solo,group,raid)
Better than nothing. thoguh everything not a beast or mage pet usually dies in 1 or 2 ae's.

Paladin
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1.Is the rold of a paladin to tank? Dps adn 3rd string tank behind warrior and Shadow Knight.

2.Should i use a 2hander or a 1hander/shield?
2hander unless you are maintanking

3.What level do paladin start getting group invites?
4.When can a paladin tank as well as a warripr...ever?
Never. Warriors are insurmountable in raw mitigation.

5.How bad is the dps of a pally?
Roughly equal to monks and rangers. Higher vs undead and allows their group to critical strike undead (cleansing blow)

Shadowknight
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1.What is the role of a shadowknight here?
Tank stuff the warrior can't hold aggro on. Puller.

Enchanter
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Has the duration f charms been reduced here?
Charm is lol just like Live. Buff / mez bot for life.
 
Btw every class is wanted in raids because they all have an important contribution and you can only bring up to 3 of any one class due to class capping.

Overall dps pecking order....

Wizard, rogues, mages, necros are the top of the dps tree.

Average warriors and ShadowkNights are at the bottom.

Everyone else is sort of interchangeable dps wise.
 
Holy crap! The ignorance about rogues in this thread has called me to action. Shame on you Seferon and Duma! (Edit: TBH your responses werent that bad now that I re-look)

Rogues
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1. How does the dmg of a arogue compare to that of others?

There were some parses tossed by allielyn in the rogue thread. Id say war 200? monk 300 rogue 380? (Average DPS HIGH END - dont give me flak about "lol I burst 600+")

4. How well do the traps work out?How much dmg do the traps do?Do they have any stun effects

No stun. Currently there are 2 traps. One is dot damage. One is DD damage. Go ahead and run a search on the wiki for traps for numbers. Max DD damage is around 800.

7. How does the whole assassination bit work?What level can i start performing them?

Assasination is a class specific AUTOMATIC skill that starts at level 60. You can assasinate level 49 and below mobs with a backstab from behind the mob. Id guess it to go off pretty often. 5%? (more often against unenaged mobs)
There is also an AA that will raise max level to 54 -- and allow you to assasinate with a throwing dagger.
And there is also an AA that will cause an automatic assasination as a triggered abilitiy (mob has to be within lvl range of your random assasinations.)

8. What race would you reccomend?
They are all good. If I started over Id probably go Human.

7. What stats should i focus on?
Stamina for starting points (SERIOUSLY). For gear go Dex/Str/Hp/resists
 
Ponden said:
7. What stats should i focus on?
Stamina for starting points (SERIOUSLY). For gear go Dex/Str/Hp/resists
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For any melee, that's what you should really put your starting points on. STR, DEX are easy to come by with items while you grow.
For a caster, don't forget that CHA has a huge role in SoD. Without CHA, your spells won't land for crap.
And I'd avoid humans, just because of the stupid blindness they suffer. But that's just me :).
 
My comments are from the perspective of playing these classes to 65 and having a few dozen AA's and so-so gear. I thought this perspective may be helpful to someone just starting out in these classes. Obviously I don't know the very high end game.


Beastlord first:

4.Can beastlords solo at all?Do they have to be uber twinked t odo so?At what level can they start soloing
The pet makes them an awsome soloer at level 9. The early part of the game this holds true when you first get the pet and by the time you need a new pet, it is much harder to solo. Higher level game they can solo fairly effectively, but you have to find a low dark blue. And you have to experiment. Pumas in the Plaguelands are NOT going to be good to solo as they eat up the pet. The bears in the WPL is a pretty easy kill. I was never twinked and frankly using the pet as a tank means you can do well without super gear.
5Can a beastlords pet able to hold agro?
The pet has pretty good aggro. In any group one must remember to /pet taunt off, or he will grab aggro from time to time. The biggest problem is that you are going to want to slow as a beastlord and slowing generates a lot of aggro.
5.Are bstlords wanted in raids?
As with many classes having one beastlord is somewhat beneficial. Beastcrack helps with aggro and our HP buff is superior to SSS IMO as it grants an ATK bonus (at the cost of a little HP). There are also a couple of other buffs that are wanted at times such as Cunning and Savagery. The Pet makes some nice DPS and the Beastlord himself is decent DPS, put them together and you are generating consistent, nice DPS. You are also the slower with the most survivability (useful in some situations). But the Shaman in your raid will make most of your other buffs unnecessary.
6.Do the pet strength items make a huge difference?
I don't parse pet damage, but yah I think so.
7.What stats shoud i focus on?Dex/str?
You are going to have Dex and Str buffs. I think I might choose Cha. Getting Slow to land is a big part of most pulls.
8.What should i put my spec points in?
I don't think you can go wrong.
9.What race do you reccomend?
Depends what is important to you. I chose Barbarian as they have some nice beginning stats IMO. The night blindness is a pain, but we get a spell in the teens. So it is not a huge deal. Ogres are pretty good IMO. Regen would be nice as well so Iksar and Troll are not bad choices. Again, I don't think you can go wrong. Overall I enjoy this class the most.



Now Paladins

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1.Is the rold of a paladin to tank?
That is the primary role. Secondary roles would include rezzer, group healer, Undead DPS
2.Should i use a 2hander or a 1hander/shield?
Personal taste. I kinda like the 2hs. We get a defensive stance that requires it that does not use up stamina fast.
3.What level do paladin start getting group invites?
I never saw a threshold of getting more groups. Paladins are desirable tanks for groups.
4.When can a paladin tank as well as a warripr...ever?
Paladins can never take damage as well as a warrior. But they are more desirable in tmaps IMO as they excel at AE aggro. As in when you get the horde of rats. The Pally should have no trouble getting all of the aggro. Paladins also bring a lot of tools to the group that may be more important than HP's and mitigation depending on the group and content.
5.How bad is the dps of a pally?
Pretty darn good against undead. So-so against other content. But again, you bring a lot to the group. I think Pally is a nice addition to a group unless the group is hurting for DPS.
You did not ask this but before anyone chooses this or any tank class know this. Gear is HUGE. You can be the most skilled tank that ever played the game, but if you don't have really good gear, you are going to suck as tank. There is no getting around this. And the really good gear is expensive. My personal opinion is that if you don't have a main that can twink your tank, then you may be best holding off on making a tank. And if you do decide to ignore my advice them plan to spend a lot of time farming or not being able to tank very well.


Druids
1. How efective is dot kiteing here?
Effective. Obviously they don't solo as good as necros, but who does? But they solo fine while LFG. I usually use about half my manna per kill. Good thing medding is very effective in this server.
2. How well does the bear per work here?
When you first get the pet, you are a demi-god. At level 65 they are decent dps but can't take getting hit much and you really have better uses of your manna to be healing them a lot. But as a speed bump to give the chanter time to mez, they are helpful. Or, as a manna free dot, they are nice.
4.Are druids wanted in groups?
Very much so. Now to be honest they cannot be the main healer in all content. At my stage we need a cleric in cata and FG. But they rock as backup heals with some nice buffs, dps and utility. I don't think that druids are the best at anything, but the total package is pretty impressive. DS, transportation, HP buffs, DPS (not great, but can contribute) root parking. Oh and the second best heals in the game.
5. Are druids wanted in raids?
As has been mentioned, everyone is. I would see their role as a secondary healer. They can quickly switch roles though.
 
My main is currently a bard,who from my understanding is on if many. This may cause problems in the future when trying to get a raid but idk. I have narrowed it down to two classes that I have not played on live.But, because i have never played them, I know very little about them.Thanks for all help in advance.
1.Are the stats on various beaslord pets different?
No
2.Do different beastlord pets have different attack speeds?dmg?bash,kick,etc
No
3.Is the troll bstlors pet here the same as the one on live
yes
4.Can beastlords solo at all?Do they have to be uber twinked t odo so?At what level can they start soloingHonestly unless your pet is buffed to hell and back you have to pay sharp attention to a lot of things happening. soloing is not too fun as a BL if you have adds to take care of. From my experiences my pet can annoy tanks in grouping but for the most part he only steals aggro when he isnt wanted to. Aswell your better off splitting aggro with him as he isnt much of a tank compared to the beastlord himself.
5Can a beastlords pet able to hold agro? Yes but not as well as you would like
5.Are bstlords wanted in raids? Help a raid to the extreme. Beastlords from melee arent a ton of dps but their buffs increase raid effectiveness more than any other class imo
6.Do the pet strength items make a huge difference? Hell go from hitting for 6 to hitting for 7
7.What stats shoud i focus on?Dex/str? All. You wont have a ton of CHA regardless. it all helps but str/dex followed by agi/sta
8.What should i put my spec points in? depends on how you want to heal/atk youll get em all eventually it doesnt matter really
9.What race do you reccomend? Iksars arent fat and have a ac/regen bonus but ogres for raw stats.
 
Paladin
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1.Is the rold of a paladin to tank?
In the high end you won't tank much unless there are alot of adds or you are in a group.
2.Should i use a 2hander or a 1hander/shield?
2hander for dps 1hander and shield is pretty much standard when tanking
3.What level do paladin start getting group invites?
Many paladins that I have spoken with say group invites are a problem. I myself get them alot. I do remember from 40-65 not getting groups on a regular basis. Make a duo of a shaman/druid/cleric and a pally for ease of leveling
4.When can a paladin tank as well as a warripr...ever?
Maybe at level 1 but from then on its downhill. at 65 with the same gear a warrior is so much better its not worth having a pally tank.
5.How bad is the dps of a pally?
Top end. Very top end pallies do less than 200 dps. They are about 40 dps ahead of warriors and SKs and about 150 behind monks/bsts/rangers/bards. So it isnt bad but at the same time it isnt great either. That said, against undead it will be much higher.
 
Bone said:
Top end. Very top end pallies do less than 200 dps. They are about 40 dps ahead of warriors and SKs and about 150 behind monks/bsts/rangers/bards. So it isnt bad but at the same time it isnt great either. That said, against undead it will be much higher.
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Actually, I've caught Kaloft at 300+ dps before, and would probably put him at an average of 250ish dps when he's paying attention. (Not undead).
 
Ive done more than 250 as well non-undead however as a rule you will likely high end be doing more like 185 if you plan on casting a group Hot or w/e and also you do less damage bc for the most part you are attacking from the front to reduce the damage taken by the MT.
 
Try it out, if you dont like it change.


PLay a few classes to 15-20ish and see how they feel.
 
Paladin
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1.Is the rold of a paladin to tank?
2.Should i use a 2hander or a 1hander/shield?
3.What level do paladin start getting group invites?
4.When can a paladin tank as well as a warripr...ever?
5.How bad is the dps of a pally?


1. Tanks are as good as their equip. My paladin is at level 28 right now (low, i know) and I can tank better than plenty of warriors and sks, since almost all my gear is from adept raiding and such. With good charisma, paladins will generate aggro nicely spamming Flash of Light...the thing is, without good charisma, FoL will get resisted. From what I've heard, pally aggro generation depends on magic resists -- so that's the issue.

2. All weapon skills should get maxxed out. 1hs, 2hs, 1hb, 2hb, piercing (there are some SOLID 2hp lances out there, like Goretusk's 2hp and Lance of Decay)

3. I never have problems getting a group at 28
4. At 28, with decent hp/ac and my ability to generate aggro, plus my ability to heal myself...I tank fine
5. Better than SK dps, anyway
 
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