5 mana nukes.

Tecnodoc

Dalayan Adventurer
First, this isn’t really a call to change anything. I’m merely opening up a discussion here.

Currently the 5 mana wizard nukes are having most of the rules set against them. Ultimate blast doesn’t work with them and also any item that offers +elemental damage (fire, cold or magic) will not increase the damage on the 5 mana nukes. It has come to my attention that this is not a coincidental effect, but a deliberate implement.

I have already had a lengthy talk with Tartau on the subject and he strongly believes that the 5 mana nukes should not scale along with your character, as this would make them overpowered.

I would like to hear other people’s opinion on the subject and especially I would love the see the designers reasoning behind it. So therefor I started this tread.

I am, myself, not convinced that these spells are especially overpowered and as such deserve special treatment. At their current form they are situational at best. They offer a wizard an ability to deal some, if tiny, damage, when he/she is oom. You can use it by “twisting” it in between your real nukes and by so doing; get one or more ticks out of your arcane echo effect. Needless to say, you are mostly better off sitting down and waiting for your meditation to kick in.
Even if you got item bonuses and you where able to ultimate blast on them, they would remain strictly situational. Especially at higher tier. My current dps using Frost Howl, buffed with cunning and clicky ring, is only just about 110. Even with +200 damage from items, my dps would still be less than 140.

So why bother making a special nerf/design to these wizard spells? With the same argument you could ask; why bother bringing up a discussion on it? To the later I can answer “because every little bit helps”. To the first I have no answer and so I put that one up to you guys =)

Please try to keep flaming to a bare minimum.
 
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because wizards were never meant to be sustained free dps.

wizards are finally in a good spot as a class and you basically want to just give them more stuff because "hey why not I mean, I dont know, woo, who cares, might as well" which is never a good reason to do anything.

the fact that you say you talked to a high end wizard, who happens to do number crunching for a living, and he explained to you why it's a bad idea, and you chose to ignore it, says to me that you don't really care about balance or logic, you just want your free spells to do more free damage because free free free free free free
 
because wizards were never meant to be sustained free dps.

wizards are finally in a good spot as a class and you basically want to just give them more stuff because "hey why not I mean, I dont know, woo, who cares, might as well" which is never a good reason to do anything.
Could you elaborate on this please? Wizards have melee attack as well you know and everyone gets “more stuff” all the time. "hey why not I mean, I dont know, woo, who cares, might as well" was never the reasoning behind my post. If that is how it comes across then I am sorry about that.
Also to be fair I never ignored the advice and opinion of Tartau. If I had I would have never mentioned him, I just wanted to ask what everyone else felt about the subject. As I wasn’t really convinced. I am myself only tier9 so I know my opinion could never matter to anyone, same go for all the wizards of lower tier. I would like to hear it all the same though.
What is all this anger Cinn? It looks like I inadvertently stepped on some toes here, I am really sorry about that. I was by no means trying to invite flames in, I am truly sorry that you got that idea from my post. My hope was for a constructive debate about the subject.
 
At their current form they are situational at best. They offer a wizard an ability to deal some, if tiny, damage, when he/she is oom.

Pretty sure that is the only situation they were designed for. Otherwise you'd just be sitting there oom. Don't see the problem.
 
My hope was for a constructive debate about the subject.

Then you should have posted a more constructive thread to begin with? Cinn's response to you was pretty much entirely appropriate and accurate and he made no personal attacks or flames or trolling whatsoever? People are allowed to not agree with you.

The damage to mana ratio is insanely higher for the 5m nukes than for any nuke wizards or any other class in the game get, and they are designed pretty much for the sole purpose of giving you something to cast to still deal a modicum of damage after you fulfill your primary wizardly role: blowing all of your mana on burst dps.

Wizards are in a pretty good place balance-wise right now, I agree with Cinn and Tarutao that I read in your post no good argument or reasoning for adding more dps to what is already the highest burst dps class in the game.

edit:big numbers are fun though!
 
The problem is, Technodoc sucks at typing English. I know the guy well and he is very educated, fluent in i believe 4-5 languages, English obv not being his first. So some of the stuff that sounds completly acceptable to him sounds like whining to us terrible americans. He could give a much better arguement in vent, but his english writing is terribad most times.

Back on topic tho, i feel wizzy 5 mana nukes are great as is, i mean at least u can do some dps (even if its bare minimum) when ur OOM and theres still a fight to finish.
 
5mana nukes are about or less dmg I've noticed than medding the mana for a real one considering they take so long to cast. (This is not counting the ikisith one)
 
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