I present a challenge [Resist Rates]

I present a challenge to any one player to prove me wrong about resist rates. Here is what you need to do. Post your character, the mobs you tested your resists on and found an outrageous (like 50% on blue averagely resistant mobs with a normal no resist mod spell) resist rate (post the resist rate here, of course, like "17 turgurs resisted out of 25" like people are doing now).

I will borrow your character and recreate the exact same test. I will then post the exact parsed results here. Here's your chance to either prove to me that you are getting craaazy resists or look foolish because you cherrypicked/exaggerated your sample.

I'll be waiting.

This may be a silly question, but how do I know what mobs are classified as "averagely resistant"? May I assume most mobs in "raid zones" like the planes, DHK, SE would all be above average or higher?

And this was also brought up, what kind of charisma are you looking at for "average" as well? Let's just say, for the purpose of pure speculation, for a 65 bard


<3 Wiz, I'm just trying to help out.

Allielyn said:

This may be a silly question, but how do I know what mobs are classified as "averagely resistant"? May I assume most mobs in "raid zones" like the planes, DHK, SE would all be above average or higher?

And this was also brought up, what kind of charisma are you looking at for "average" as well? Let's just say, for the purpose of pure speculation, for a 65 bard


<3 Wiz, I'm just trying to help out.

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Any CHA is fine, I'll take it into account for the test.

Generally if a mob is A) Not a commonly MR mob like say golems and B) Designed for exp, not raiding (not DHK mobs) it will be average. If it's not average I'll just say so and no foul.

I will use my 45 mage and test on the geonids. Will a 2 hour compilation be enough? I am not sure how many I will get killed, due to the amount of mana/kill will be different.

Should I avoid using my resist lowering Malisement?

I am not challenging your claim because i havent found any outrageous resist rates, although it seems that combined with partial resists, the numbers jump a little. Here's what I've gathered. (this isnt a complaint, just some numbers for you to look at.)

65 wizard killing Plaguewracked Puma's in WPL (Tough mobs, but normal MR I think.)



I just tabbed to excell and typed them in. Yes it is more work though.

Stop cluttering this thread with random chatter. Offending posts have been deleted.

Any specific recomendations for a log parser?

And the date range that you would like to use for this test?

Was the Saturday AM patch the most recent change?

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desolus my 27 cleric has been resisted almost like 80 percent of the time with my smite spell on LB tamed giant bats and LB kobold seers in warrens

Re: resist rates

god003 said:

desolus my 27 cleric has been resisted almost like 80 percent of the time with my smite spell on LB tamed giant bats and LB kobold seers in warrens

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Challenge accepted.

Desolustest - Copy of Desolus - Level 27

Casting smite on Light Blue (Level 18) a kobold seer. This test was done with the character's equipment removed, giving her a charisma of 91.

SAMPLE: 100 casts of Smite:
FULL: 61
PARTIAL: 18
RESISTED: 21

LANDED FOR FULL (93 damage): 61/100 [61%]
PARTIALLY RESISTED [avg of 52 damage]: 18/100 [18%]
RESISTED: 21 [21%]

TOTAL DAMAGE POTENTIAL: 9300
TOTAL DAMAGE DONE: 5673[FULL] + 936[PARTIAL] = 6609

DAMAGE LOST TO RESISTS: 2691

% OF DAMAGE LOST TO RESISTS: 28%

Let me conclude with: 80% my ass.

corrected

i stand corrected, it seemed to me that they are resisting more than they should be and 80 percent may have been a bit of an exageration but *shrug* still ty for the check up

Here are my results 15 Human Wizard 99 CHA


Mob Name: Kobold Scavanger
# of Mobs: 3
Con: DB

Spell: Root
Hit -- 6 Resist -- 1 Partial Resist -- 0

Spell: Shock of Lightning
Hit -- 4 Resist -- 0 Partial Resist -- 1

Spell: Fire Bolt
Hit -- 2 Resist -- 0 Partial Resist -- 0

Spell Shock of Ice
Hit -- 3 Resist -- 3 Partial Resist -- 0

Spell: Frost Bolt
Hit -- 1 Resist -- 1 Partial Resist -- 1


Mob Name: Bulky Kobold
# of Mobs: 4
Con: DB

Spell: Root
Hit -- 11 Resist -- 3 Partial Resist -- 0

Spell: Shock of Lightning
Hit -- 3 Resist -- 3 Partial Resist -- 3

Spell: Fire Bolt
Hit -- 5 Resist -- 2 Partial Resist -- 1

Spell Shock of Ice
Hit -- 3 Resist -- 0 Partial Resist -- 2

Spell: Frost Bolt
Hit -- 8 Resist -- 0 Partial Resist -- 1


Mob Name: Kobold Shaman
# of Mobs: 1
Con: DB

Spell: Root
Hit -- 2 Resist -- 1 Partial Resist -- 0

Spell: Shock of Lightning
Hit -- 1 Resist -- 0 Partial Resist -- 1

Spell: Fire Bolt
Hit -- 0 Resist -- 2 Partial Resist -- 1

Spell Shock of Ice
Hit -- 2 Resist -- 2 Partial Resist -- 0

Spell: Frost Bolt
Hit -- 1 Resist -- 1 Partial Resist -- 0


Mob Name: Kobold Shaman
# of Mobs: 1
Con: LB

Spell: Root
Hit -- 3 Resist -- 0 Partial Resist -- 0

Spell: Shock of Lightning
Hit -- 2 Resist -- 0 Partial Resist -- 0

Spell: Fire Bolt
Hit -- 1 Resist -- 0 Partial Resist -- 1

Spell Shock of Ice
Hit -- 1 Resist -- 0 Partial Resist -- 0

Spell: Frost Bolt
Hit -- Resist -- Partial Resist -- / No Casts


Mob Name: Kobold
# of Mobs: 9
Con: LB

Spell: Root
Hit -- 20 Resist -- 5 Partial Resist -- 0

Spell: Shock of Lightning
Hit -- 12 Resist -- 2 Partial Resist -- 3

Spell: Fire Bolt
Hit -- 7 Resist -- 2 Partial Resist -- 1

Spell Shock of Ice
Hit -- 6 Resist -- 1 Partial Resist -- 1

Spell: Frost Bolt
Hit -- 7 Resist -- 2 Partial Resist -- 3


Mob Name: Bulky Kobold
# of Mobs: 2
Con: LB

Spell: Root
Hit -- 3 Resist -- 1 Partial Resist -- 0

Spell: Shock of Lightning
Hit -- 2 Resist -- 0 Partial Resist -- 0

Spell: Fire Bolt
Hit -- 2 Resist -- 1 Partial Resist -- 0

Spell Shock of Ice
Hit -- 1 Resist -- 0 Partial Resist -- 1

Spell: Frost Bolt
Hit -- 4 Resist -- 0 Partial Resist -- 1

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So after reading your post with the smite resists getting very close to 1/3 is this what we should expect with base level ~90 Charisma? Is there any way we can find out how much Charisma truly effects resists? Maybe some type of chart?

Thanks!

This isn't a challange expressly so much as it is a request for certain mobs which *are* flagged high resist to be less harshly resistant, most notably mobs in DHK experience areas and on treasure maps (especially the Easy grave rats and ghouls). It's been my experience that everything "highly resistant" is very resistant indeed. Unfortunately, procuring hard data is pretty difficult considering tmaps are rare and standing there toe to toe with a highly resistant mob for test purposes is kind of rough. After they've been debuffed with tash and malise, the highly-mr mobs lose a lot of their bite, so I'm just concerned with crowd control where tash before mez isn't always an option. Could grave rats and chasm ghouls have their MR lowered to normalcy, and maybe dhk experience mobs' resists looked at? You're welcome to Adalus for testing purposes if you like, but I'm mostly worried that people who aren't able to tash+malise are going to have a harder time than they should with certain resistant mobs.

I noticed my druid gets resisted the most when casting on lower mobs. this are the numbers of what happened to me in miellecB casting wildfire on a froglog annoited that conned light blue. (druid lvl 64 with 153 cha)

casted = 5
landed = 0




those are the amount of nukes I was able to cast on the light blue mob before it killed my druid.

Laksha said:

I noticed my druid gets resisted the most when casting on lower mobs. this are the numbers of what happened to me in miellecB casting wildfire on a froglog annoited that conned light blue. (druid lvl 64 with 153 cha)

casted = 5
landed = 0




those are the amount of nukes I was able to cast on the light blue mob before it killed my druid.

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Wow, 5 casts.

Laksha said:

those are the amount of nukes I was able to cast on the light blue mob before it killed my druid.

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Not a lot of people are gonna wanna run back down to a dungeon after they died to test resist rates and take another round of froglok on the chin for the team.

Thinkmeats said:

Not a lot of people are gonna wanna run back down to a dungeon after they died to test resist rates and take another round of froglok on the chin for the team.

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But if you're using the data to make an argument for having a change made, you need enough data to be taken seriously (or it can just be attributed to a bad run of the RNG). Besides, one of the great things about this server is that once you're at max XP debt from dying once, dying again really doesn't matter. The testing only costs you the time to travel, med and buff up again.

Laksha said:

I noticed my druid gets resisted the most when casting on lower mobs. this are the numbers of what happened to me in miellecB casting wildfire on a froglog annoited that conned light blue. (druid lvl 64 with 153 cha)

casted = 5
landed = 0




those are the amount of nukes I was able to cast on the light blue mob before it killed my druid.

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Yeah, I know. In other news, I just casted a single nuke on a blue mob and it landed for full, so it seems like resists are broken entirely, I mean that's a 0% resist rate!!!

Stop shitting up this post with cherrypicking strings of bad luck.

Level 62 Druid Using the Level 59 Fire Nuke Wildfire with 133cha.

The zone was Sorceror's Labyrinth casting on kobold clansman, kobold hailsman and controlled sentinels with the occasional named (ramp mobs).

Total Casts: 78

Full Dmg: 34 (43.5%)

Partial Resist: 18 (23.1%)

Full Resist: 26 (33.3%)

That seemed a bit high for an Ice Kobold that was much lower level then then caster, but perhaps that is what is intended. I am not really complaining here just posting some data I collected.

Tempus said:

Level 62 Druid Using the Level 59 Fire Nuke Wildfire with 133cha.

The zone was Sorceror's Labyrinth casting on kobold clansman, kobold hailsman and controlled sentinels with the occasional named (ramp mobs).

Total Casts: 78

Full Dmg: 34 (43.5%)

Partial Resist: 18 (23.1%)

Full Resist: 26 (33.3%)

That seemed a bit high for an Ice Kobold that was much lower level then then caster, but perhaps that is what is intended. I am not really complaining here just posting some data I collected.

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OK, I will replicate your test later.