Increased Duration on Spiritual Bliss for Soulbond

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soba

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Previous post was made in Classes & Gear by mistake, please ignore that one and I'd appreciate a mod deleting/trashcanning it.

Could the duration on Spiritual Bliss please be increased enough so that it is worth using Soulbond on it? Currently with no AA or Dur Inc it's duration is 45 minutes, so by the time Bliss wears off you're looking at another 27 minutes before Soulbond is back up.

Even with the Dur Inc AA and Dur Inc 7 the duration is 69.5 minutes, still not long enough to last till Soulbond pops back up.I'd recommend increasing the duration of Bliss to either 1h 12m exactly or at least increase the duration enough so that with the maxed Dur Inc AA Bliss would last 1h 12m.

Someone has told me the last time this was brought up it was shot down because the staff did not want Beastlords to be relegated to buff bots.People are no longer allowed to buff a raid and then log, and the fact that rebuffing for exp groups with Bliss every 1h 12m would be extremely inconvenient at the very least, I believe this is no longer a factor.

As long as the duration was not vastly increased it would do no harm to Beastlords and would give them a minor helpful boost, making Soulbond worth getting.
 
I do not think that Soulbond was intended to always be up every time the last SB buff you cast faded. Beastlords have several great buffs that could be used with soulbond, but that do not necessarily last as long as SB reuse timer. I think the duration times on beastlord buffs are balanced as is and should not be increased.
 
I support this suggestion, as it makes an otherwise pretty useless AA for BLs useful. The duration of Mage's DSs were increased to make SB a useful AA for them (see this thread); this seems to follow exactly the same reasoning.

Spiritplx said:
I do not think that Soulbond was intended to always be up every time the last SB buff you cast faded.
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And why do you think that? Are there any other classes, now that Mage's were accomodated, that do not have at least a situationally useful raid buff (yes, DMF is situationally raid useful) that lasts as long as the SB timer? I haven't seen any discussion that would support this theory.
 
GuiardoTuneweaver said:
And why do you think that? Are there any other classes, now that Mage's were accomodated, that do not have at least a situationally useful raid buff (yes, DMF is situationally raid useful) that lasts as long as the SB timer? I haven't seen any discussion that would support this theory.
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Spiritual Vigor has a base duration of 72 minutes. And no, I don't think every buff a class has should be as long as the SB reuse timer. I have had SB regen or other situational buffs on me that were a shorter duration than SB reuse. Not sure why this is considered a "useless" AA for beastlords unless you always have a paladin on the raid that can't move away to SSS people who want that over SV.
 
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Spiritual Vigor has a base duration of 72 minutes. And no, I don't think every buff a class has should be as long as the SB reuse timer. I have had SB regen or other situational buffs on me that were a shorter duration than SB reuse. Not sure why this is considered a "useless" AA for beastlords unless you always have a paladin on the raid that can't move away to SSS people who want that over SV.
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Most guilds DO have a paladin at all times and no other class has to move people who want X buff away from everyone else to cast it. I don't see how this would be overpowering or unbalanced in the least.

I'd like to see the Bst SB made useful
 
But it is useful...

Just because some of their buffs fade before SB pops back up does NOT mean this AA is not useful for beastlords. If you are worried about not being able to SB Spiritual Vigor, then try to have the stacking issues resolved. Increasing the durations on buffs just because they 'don't work well with SB' is a pretty bad reason. This would lead into other classes wanting their buffs to last longer to work better with SB.
 
Not one beastlord buff is decent for being soulbonded. Even a SB sv gets overridden by a non-sb sss
 
GuiardoTuneweaver said:
I support this suggestion, as it makes an otherwise pretty useless AA for BLs useful. The duration of Mage's DSs were increased to make SB a useful AA for them (see this thread); this seems to follow exactly the same reasoning.
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Paladin's also got their SSS buff duration almost doubled a while ago albeit for different reasons http://forum.shardsofdalaya.com/index.php?topic=13007.0 .I am not asking for anywhere near double the duration on Spiritual Bliss, simply 72 minutes which would make it synch up with Soulbond.

I'm not really aware of any other raidwide buffs (which are supposed to be longterm) that are not long enough to use with Soulbond,even Call of the Predator lasts 75 minutes, and DMF lasts exactly 72.
 
GuiardoTuneweaver said:
I support this suggestion, as it makes an otherwise pretty useless AA for BLs useful. The duration of Mage's DSs were increased to make SB a useful AA for them (see this thread); this seems to follow exactly the same reasoning.

And why do you think that? Are there any other classes, now that Mage's were accomodated, that do not have at least a situationally useful raid buff (yes, DMF is situationally raid useful) that lasts as long as the SB timer? I haven't seen any discussion that would support this theory.
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Huge difference from not having any buff worth sbing to having 1 buff worth sbing, but wanting another one worth sbing.

ryutakin said:
Not one beastlord buff is decent for being soulbonded. Even a SB sv gets overridden by a non-sb sss
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Same situation with the mage ds actually. No sympathy from mages on that.
 
vistachiri said:
Huge difference from not having any buff worth sbing to having 1 buff worth sbing, but wanting another one worth sbing.

Same situation with the mage ds actually. No sympathy from mages on that.
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SV is not a "buff worth sb'ing" as long as the SV/SSS stacking issue exists,and it always will exist.

Buffing is also not a big part of the Mage class as it is with Beastlords, not to mention your DS duration was increased so that when the DS IS useful (which is always in ToT) it's worth SB'ing.

I'm not seeing the problem here with giving Beastlords a more viable SB buff when buffing is such a big part of their utility on raids.
 
Unless i'm mistaken, all beastlords are casting on raids are SV/bliss/savg (on me yayyy). To be honest, I think the duration should be increased on spiritual bliss so it would make soulbond useful for the class. In most cases, i'm pretty sure I would rather have my 5 soulbonded buffs taken up by other longer duration buffs even if the proposed duration was increased on spiritual bliss. Also, I don't see how extending the duration of 1 buff by half an hour would make the class unbalanced over any other, especially for a class that is supposed to be a mix of a buffin class and a monk. Just my 2cp :toot:
 
soba said:
SV is not a "buff worth sb'ing" as long as the SV/SSS stacking issue exists,and it always will exist.

Buffing is also not a big part of the Mage class as it is with Beastlords, not to mention your DS duration was increased so that when the DS IS useful (which is always in ToT) it's worth SB'ing.

I'm not seeing the problem here with giving Beastlords a more viable SB buff when buffing is such a big part of their utility on raids.
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Same kind of stacking issue. While I don't necessarily disagree with sb being given a longer duration, your argument of stacking issues not making sv worth soulbonding, by the same token dismiss any arguments of the mage ds being worth soulbonding (as druid ds is preferable in 99% of cases raid-wise, tot and thaz (fire) being some of the few exceptions). Thus negating the earlier argument that we were "accomodated". Which was what I was pointing out.

No buffing is not a part of the mage class pretty much whatsoever. However I still fail to see how this makes a point whatsoever. Bl's have a buff, which is worth soulbond. As stacking issues do not apply in a large number of situations in which soulbond is still used for beastlords(groups, raids without a paladin, certain classes on the raid that choose the atk that sv adds over sss, etc).
 
I really should have ignored the comments about the Mage DS as it really is irrelevant to this topic and should not have used it in my arguments.I'll agree to stop commenting about it and we can stop derailing this thread into a topic on the Mage DS.
 
Seriously in what making SB 72 mn would be totally overpowering ? let's not compare with mages cause Cupola or Aegis is the ONLY group/raid spell they might wanna soulbond (excepting self buffs, but same applies to everyone) and they last 2 and 3 hours respectively.
Not saying that on any raid, you have to choose when to have DRU or MAG DS for everyone ; while on any raid you 'll have people wanting SV or SSS. Due to the current wtf situation with those last two spells I think SBable Bliss would just be fair.

It's like the pet rings problem, no need to bandaid if the problem is being looked at. But here it seems it just won't.
 
soba said:
Previous post was made in Classes & Gear by mistake, please ignore that one and I'd appreciate a mod deleting/trashcanning it.

Could the duration on Spiritual Bliss please be increased enough so that it is worth using Soulbond on it? Currently with no AA or Dur Inc it's duration is 45 minutes, so by the time Bliss wears off you're looking at another 27 minutes before Soulbond is back up.

Even with the Dur Inc AA and Dur Inc 7 the duration is 69.5 minutes, still not long enough to last till Soulbond pops back up.I'd recommend increasing the duration of Bliss to either 1h 12m exactly or at least increase the duration enough so that with the maxed Dur Inc AA Bliss would last 1h 12m.

Someone has told me the last time this was brought up it was shot down because the staff did not want Beastlords to be relegated to buff bots.People are no longer allowed to buff a raid and then log, and the fact that rebuffing for exp groups with Bliss every 1h 12m would be extremely inconvenient at the very least, I believe this is no longer a factor.

As long as the duration was not vastly increased it would do no harm to Beastlords and would give them a minor helpful boost, making Soulbond worth getting.
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I would like to see the base changed to 72 mins, it seems to be a reasonable request all by itself. Especially if you ignore the rest of the thread, including the sv vs sss thing. I dont think increasing the time on Bliss has or should have anything to do with the timers of the other buff spells they're in different catagories just like mages and beastlords are different classes.
 
I support both the idea of making SB last a bit longer (720 ticks seems reasonable) and of changing SV time to be the same as SSS. I dont really see any reasons why SSS should have a longer time than SV.

Cant really see how either would unbalance the class, or make the beastlord less attractive at raids.
 
Grizabella said:
I would like to see the base changed to 72 mins, it seems to be a reasonable request all by itself. Especially if you ignore the rest of the thread, including the sv vs sss thing. I dont think increasing the time on Bliss has or should have anything to do with the timers of the other buff spells they're in different catagories just like mages and beastlords are different classes.
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If I'd had the whole thread to do over again I really would have tried to steer it away from both the stacking issues with sss/sv and the mage ds derail, which I definitely contributed to.

I do hope however that the idea can stand on it's own as a reasonable request,one that doesn't unbalance the game and provides a decent boost to Beastlord raid utility.I also hope the staff can look beyond that derail and simply decide it on it's own merits.
 
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