Shaman 'epic'

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Zhak

Dalayan Beginner
Currently, The Ancestral Mask of the Tal`Yan is an irreplaceable item for shamans.

As most of us are well aware, it adds an extra 10% slow to the base of the slow we cast ( for turgur's it adds 5%, as turgur's is 50% and same with festering.. for the archaic it adds 5.5% )

No shaman in the raid game who has this mask has ever upgraded it or probably will ever upgrade it, any mask that gets looted basically just gets bagged and the only time I could see myself using it is if there was another shaman in the raid with archaic + mask.

At the thaz level it also creates somewhat of a gear gap because our mask has 125mana and no ft which is a pretty weak mask, and with santcum coming soon ( or well, in the future ) you can see that the gap is only going to widen between shaman masks and other class' mask.

I propose that the mask be turned in to an aug with just the swarm mastery effect on it, I realize we're losing the stats and the 30hp regen, but this way shaman's can upgrade their mask at a normal rate and keep the one thing that's absolutely neccesary to have from the mask ( the focus effect ).

Sincerely,
the loving ogre you all know as Podge <3
 
i'm assuming you're just placing this in a formal "petition"? i'm pretty sure one of the team already said they wanted to go in this exact direction with the mask
 
As a sometime shaman, also supportin' this, and yeah tm said it would be a good idea I think. This would just be separation from the other thread in a more clear format if I'm gauging purpose correctly
 
Since some shaman probably would be upset about their mask being turned into an aug, maybe it would be better to have another turn in to switch it from a mask into an aug. That way, shaman who see no replaceable mask in the near future for the tier they are on could still use it as it is now.
 
Momatose said:
i'm assuming you're just placing this in a formal "petition"? i'm pretty sure one of the team already said they wanted to go in this exact direction with the mask
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Yes.. this is a suggestions and requests forum, which is exactly what this thread is. I think Jun's idea is a great addition to the request.
 
I hate to say this, but I think it's pretty great how it is now. With one of the few classes that get epics, I think that it's a tradeoff: you get great effects off the mask but you sacrifice some stats (mana) in the late game, and even then, 155 augged mana on a mask isn't that big of a deal till maybe you hit the end of OP and then it seems to fall behind, namely the Shifting Face of the Controler @ 200 mana ... not to even mention how early in the raid game you can get this mask (I recall doing two of them at about pot level).

I don't support adding the effect to an augment BUT why not add the effect to say... the upgraded Thaz bp? At about this tier is where all these nice faces start to drop and then you have an opportunity to replace it. IF it were to be made in to an aug I would also suggest making the Cleric shield be able to be turned in to an aug also with the click res.
 
Removing this face piece that some shamans really fought long to get seems sad and would make epic'd shamans sad if they're below the tier you guys were talking about up here, Prison and up.
Jun's solution is very good, but somehow it seems to easy to just make a type2 augment with such a powerful effect. Maybe make a special quest to make it evolve further, but that would take time and there are quite a bit of other epics to add...
 
If the longterm intention behind the mask was that it would eventually have it's amazing effect offset by losing out on upgraded stats from newer items I think a good compromise would be having some negative stats on the aug, not a huge amount as that would obviously make this change pointless, but some minor penalty I believe would definitely be in order.

I do think Wiz isn't a big fan of irreplaceable items for any class, as shown by the introduction of foelock and the nerfing of the Warrior gloves.
 
My original suggestion was that you should have the _OPTION_ of turning the mask into a no-stats aug. I stand by that, but I don't see myself supporting removing the mask completely. Man, people always gotta be makin threads about my ideas but then butchering them in the translation (sup shaman healin role thread).

Finny said:
I don't support adding the effect to an augment BUT why not add the effect to say... the upgraded Thaz bp?
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You should never see this focus, or anything like it, on raid loot.
 
Thinkmeats said:
My original suggestion was that you should have the _OPTION_ of turning the mask into a no-stats aug. I stand by that, but I don't see myself supporting removing the mask completely. Man, people always gotta be makin threads about my ideas but then butchering them in the translation (sup shaman healin role thread).

You should never see this focus, or anything like it, on raid loot.
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Just because you had the idea doesn't mean someone else didn't have the same idea either ( or a variation thereof )

I made the request as I saw fit, not because I saw your post and stole your idea.

I'm certainly open to idea's on how to better the request I made in this thread, I wouldn't exactly say this idea has been 'butchered' by any means.
 
What about you can turn the mask ( when you have the choice to wear one with better stats ) to a NPC who provide you a new spell : slow 55%
 
Eleonor said:
What about you can turn the mask ( when you have the choice to wear one with better stats ) to a NPC who provide you a new spell : slow 55%
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that is not the same. because it doesnt always add 5%... its normally 10% unless the slow is already 50% and for archiac slow is 5.5% boost as zhak said.
 
Eleonor said:
What about you can turn the mask ( when you have the choice to wear one with better stats ) to a NPC who provide you a new spell : slow 55%
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The archaic is 55% so it would completely trivialize the archaic spell.

I think the best solution to the problem would be what Jun suggested. The quest could result in 1 of 2 rewards.. the mask, or a statless aug with the focus effect.
 
Zhak said:
The archaic is 55% so it would completely trivialize the archaic spell.

I think the best solution to the problem would be what Jun suggested. The quest could result in 1 of 2 rewards.. the mask, or a statless aug with the focus effect.
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Pretty much what I'd like to see. This wouldn't unbalance the game to much and to make sure it'll be a top end augment you can add required drops from maybe Lower Thaz, Valor b and eventually IP or something along these lines. Will make sure that people won't just get the mask and then change it to an augment to wear another mask that might be slightly better.
 
Zhak said:
The archaic is 55% so it would completely trivialize the archaic spell.

I think the best solution to the problem would be what Jun suggested. The quest could result in 1 of 2 rewards.. the mask, or a statless aug with the focus effect.
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If I'm reading this right, electing to take the mask would forever screw any poor shaman who did so.
 
Thinkmeats said:
If I'm reading this right, electing to take the mask would forever screw any poor shaman who did so.
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Just make a reversible turn-in quest.

Hand in aug -> recieve mask
Hand in mask -> recieve aug
 
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