Mid-Level Shadowknight Whining

Vampiric Embrace, Scream of Death, Shroud of Death, Shroud of Undeath, Shroud of the Lich, and Shroud of the Leech are all 20-30 minute durations. For the same mana, Paladin combat proc spells are lasting from 60 to 120 minutes. /whine

Scream of Hate/Pain's mana cost is incredibly high, especially at those low levels. In regards to all taps, stacking seems to be erratic and random. Perhaps these could all be normalized to use one buff/debuff type. Scream/Shroud/Torrent of Hate all debuff on Slot 7 (stacking issues with Savagery), yet Scream/Torrent of Hate Recourse buff Slot 1 (stacking issues with Yaulp spells and Grim Aura). Also, just from observation but not from actual testing, it looks like Torrent of Fatigue Recourse would also suffer similiar stacking issues with shaman Strength buffs.

Lifetaps, especially around 39 and 49, could use a look. Perhaps dropping Siphon Life down to around 44?

Finally, is there any chance of a lower level version of some of the 55+ spells Cloak of the Akheva (AC/HP/DS), Deathly Temptation (HP to mana), Death Peace (Improved FD), or group taps like Curse of Years (Str/Sta), Vortex of Death (HP/MP drain) or are these all meant as higher level? Even snagging Dark Pact would be nice.

~Gnome Shadowknight done whining now, thank you~

Curse of Years and Cloak of Akheva don't stack either, kinda dumb!

Summary of Below: Stacking is weird and all over the place. If you shifted all AC taps to Slot 5 for both debuff and recourse, you'd eliminate stacking issues with Cloak of the Akheva <NINJA EDIT: Which has been fixed as of 03/22/06)>. If you shifted all ATK taps to Slot 6, you'd eliminate stacking issues with Grim Aura and Savagery. Strength debuffs in Slot 3 will keep debuffing to a minimum, as they won't stack with the Disempower line. Shifting Torrent of Fatigue to Slot 7 Stamina will also eliminate the one stacking issue it has with Savagery.

Stacking Issues Fixed By Normalizing Stacking to the Following:
STR Taps: Slot 3
AC Taps: Slot 5
ATK Taps: Slot 6
STA Taps: Slot 7

Now on to the numbers and charts!

Strength Taps
Attack Taps
AC Taps
Combination Taps

And now for everyone's favorite part: Stacking Issues

I use cloak of the akheva and curse of years all the time, and they stack. Has it been a while since you tried using them together?

Yeah I guess so, CoY is kind of worthless to me now, but they used to not stack. Good that they do now.

Taedirk said:

Paladin combat proc spells are lasting from 60 to 120 minutes. /whine

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There are only two 49 and below I believe, one of which only works against undead. Think of it as a trade off for your offensive and utilitarian (FD, invis, snare) spells.

Rorne said:

Taedirk said:

Paladin combat proc spells are lasting from 60 to 120 minutes. /whine

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There are only two 49 and below I believe, one of which only works against undead. Think of it as a trade off for your offensive and utilitarian (FD, invis, snare) spells.

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There are only two 49 and below for Shadowknights as well, just so you know. The duration on combat innates was always something that irked me, seeing Paladins back on live get durations tripled for free while the one long duration SK innate was given a huge mana cost to "balance" it. The duration difference never made any sense then and doesn't make any sense now.

Mythryn said:

Curse of Years and Cloak of Akheva don't stack either, kinda dumb!

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it does
Cloak of Akheva doesnt stack with SV or paladin Hp buff.
It's shroud of nightmares that doesnt stack with cloak of akheva ( Kinda illogic)

Thats what I meant then, I don't use any of them anymore (maybe Cloak if I don't have full buffs), only thing I use is Vortex.

Shroud of nightmares stacks with Cloak of the Akheva, btw. Again might have been something that didn't before but does now. Logging in to make sure i"m not getting the names messed up.

Edit: yep, it also stacks

According to the shiny spell data file, Cloak of the Akheva was changed to Slot 8 AC buff. It should now stack with all spells with the exception of Paladin/Beastlord buffs in the same spell line (Sihala's and Spiritual Vigor spells)

SK spells are currently being looked at by yours truly, so be patient.

-Nuralia

Is it just me or does Cloak of the Akheva not stack with Shroud of Nightmares anymore? ;( ;(

Finster said:

Is it just me or does Cloak of the Akheva not stack with Shroud of Nightmares anymore? ;( ;(

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Cloak of the Akheva was changed right before the taps were changed. Crossed wires. My psychic Gnome powers says that someone will most likely beat it back into shape in the near future.

If you're honestly looking at the SK spells, how about making the group taps actually group taps, otherwise they're not all that useful.

Because... they are now group taps. They were fixed days ago. And Cloak of the Akheva stacking will go in next patch.

Don't get sassy. :roll:

Taedirk said:

Summary of Below: Stacking is weird and all over the place. If you shifted all AC taps to Slot 5 for both debuff and recourse, you'd eliminate stacking issues with Cloak of the Akheva <NINJA EDIT: Which has been fixed as of 03/22/06)>. If you shifted all ATK taps to Slot 6, you'd eliminate stacking issues with Grim Aura and Savagery. Strength debuffs in Slot 3 will keep debuffing to a minimum, as they won't stack with the Disempower line. Shifting Torrent of Fatigue to Slot 7 Stamina will also eliminate the one stacking issue it has with Savagery.

Stacking Issues Fixed By Normalizing Stacking to the Following:
STR Taps: Slot 3
AC Taps: Slot 5
ATK Taps: Slot 6
STA Taps: Slot 7

Now on to the numbers and charts!

Strength Taps

Code:

Spell                   Level    Mana     Slot    Effect
Siphon Strength         9        5        3       -10 STR
Abduction of Strength   52       5        3       -25 STR

Siphon Strength R       --       --       3       +10 STR
Abduction of Strength R --       --       3       +25 STR

Attack Taps

Code:

Spell                   Level    Mana     Slot    Effect
Scream of Hate          15       85       7       -8 ATK
Shroud of Hate          39       60       7       -20 ATK
Torrent of Hate         54       60       7       -35 ATK

Scream of Hate R        --       --       1       +8 ATK
Shroud of Hate R        --       --       7       +20 ATK
Torrent of Hate R       --       --       1       +35 ATK

AC Taps

Code:

Spell                   Level    Mana     Slot    Effect
Scream of Pain          30       100      7       -20 AC
Shroud of Pain          50       75       7       -60 AC
Torrent of Pain         56       75       7       -40 AC <- Note: WTF?

Scream of Pain R        --       --       1       +20 AC
Shroud of Pain R        --       --       7       +60 AC
Torrent of Pain R       --       --       1       +40 AC <- Note: WTF?

Combination Taps

Code:

Spell                   Level    Mana     Slot    Effect     Slot    Effect
Torrent of Fatigue      58       120      5       -15 STA    6       +15 STR
Shroud of Nightmares    63       285      5       -65 AC     6       -65 ATK
Curse of Years          63       320      5       -40 STR    7       -40 STA

Torrent of Fatigue R    --       --       1       +15 STR    2       +15 STA
Shroud of Nightmares R  --       --       5       +65 AC     6       +65 ATK
Curse of Years R        --       --       5       +40 STR    7       +40 STA

And now for everyone's favorite part: Stacking Issues

Code:

Attack Power
Slot 1               Slot 6                  Slot 7
Torrent of Hate R    Shroud of Nightmares    Savagery
Scream of Hate R     Shroud of Nightmares R  Shroud of Hate
Grim Aura                                    Shroud of Hate R
Despair                                      Scream of Hate
                                             Torrent of Hate

Armor Class
Slot 1               Slot 5                  Slot 7
Clr/Dru Buffs        Shroud of Nightmares    <NINJA EDIT>
Scream of Pain R     Shroud of Nightmares R  Shroud of Pain
Torrent of Pain R                            Shroud of Pain R
                                             Shadow Vortex
                                             Shadow Vortex R
                                             Scream of Pain
                                             Torrent of Pain
                                             Shadow Creep

Strength
Slot 1               Slot 3                  Slot 5             Slot 6
Shm/Enc Buffs        Abduction of Strength   Curse of Years     Torrent of Fatigue
Torrent of Fatigue R Abduction of Strength R Curse of Years R
                     Siphon Strength         
                     Siphon Strength R
                     Disempower Debuffs

Stamina
Slot 2               Slot 5                  Slot 7
Torrent of Fatigue R Savagery                Curse of Years
                     Torrent of Fatigue      Curse of Years R

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That's one of the best posts I've seen for a long time. Do you have some kind of script that does this, or is it all manual?

zodium said:

That's one of the best posts I've seen for a long time. Do you have some kind of script that does this, or is it all manual?

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Lovingly and manually edited from a tab-delimited OpenOffice spreadsheet in Notepad. Figured if I was going to go for it, I'd go all out and make it actually *legible*.

EDIT: And for anyone curious, here's a list of the recent Shadowknight spell changes

* Attack taps were all normalized to Slot 7. Stacks with everything except Savagery.
* Armor taps were all normalized to Slot 8. Stacks with everything except Cloak of the Akheva (fix inc soon).
* Str/Sta taps were set to Slot 5 (Str) and Slot 6 (Sta). Stacks with everything.
* Combat Innates were extended to 60 minute duration pre-50 (Vampiric Embrace, Scream of Death) and 120 minute duration post-50 (Mental Corruption, Shroud of (Un)Death, etc., etc.)
* Scream of Hate and Scream of Pain were reduced to 45 mana and 50 mana respectively.
* Torrent of Hate, Torrent of Pain, and Torrent of Fatigue were changed to a group recourse.
* Torrent of Pain was increased to a 60 AC drain
* Shadow Vortex was removed from player spellbooks. Shadow Creep was altered to be a Necromancer-only spell.
* The level 55 combat style was fixed in the /s list command. It formerly read as a level 60 requirement.
* Pets still suck. Woo!

I'll be fixing the Savagery stacking issue for next patch. Keep up the good work, Taedirk. <3

I'll try not to be sassy here but,

SK group taps are still not affecting my groups?