Shadow dwarf rogues should give good faction with thurg npcs

[xavori]

Hi there, I've thinking about this npcs outside Thurgadin, that are the only ones that can get you to lvl 12 fast from 5 because of the exp and the heads they drop you can use them in a quest in Thurgadin to get more exp, but the problem is, unless you are a evil race, you are screwed, unless of course you've got illusions with you to trick the guards :(
So, my point is that the Rogue shadow Swarf should give you positive faction with Thurgadin npcs each time you kill one, because not only it makes sense, since the quest of the heads involve killing the "traitors" of the shadow dwarfs as the quest npc says, but because it's unfair for good races because of the fact they cant even sell things to the npcs there, or hand in the heads for that exp boost. :)
I hope my suggestion is comprehensible enough for the Adminsto understand :hug:

[Dujek]

They used to, and I don't know why it was taken out. It really makes sense that they should.

[xavori]

They used to, and I don't know why it was taken out. It really makes sense that they should.

Sounds great that you agree with me! :) I wonder why they got it out :brow: I hope Wizzy changes his mind and puts it back ;(

[xavori]

Just a little question, between what amount of time can it take to the person who modifiys in this case faction issues to do what im asking for? :? Just to know.

[dannin]

I agree, they should give good thurg faction.. the warrens is a low level spot you can go to fix your erudin faction if you start out in thurg, but people that start in erudin have no equivalent place to go. You can kill cave wyrms in GD in the mid 30s to low 40s, but thats alot later on in the game

[karm100fists]

They're good newbie spawns. We shouldn't turn them into a faction field :).

[Noktar]

I think they should give thurg faction. It is nearly impossible for an erudin char to get to thurg at lvl 20 while thurg chars are probbably allied with erudin at lvl 20 because they did warrens from 10 to 20. The only way to get thurg faction is by lvl 30+ mobs as far as i know.

[Foonie]

I remember the good all days, where you pulled every rogue there was (all 3 camps) and then you nuked them with a point black ae. Then you ran back to the first camp, and by the time you got there, they had already respawned, and then you could keep doing this for less than an hour and have ally faction.
I believe that's the reason it was taken out. You can give tizmaks faction instead, since you can't really do this with tizmaks. Not sure if tizmaks already have faction.

[xavori]

I agree, they should give good thurg faction.. the warrens is a low level spot you can go to fix your erudin faction if you start out in thurg, but people that start in erudin have no equivalent place to go. You can kill cave wyrms in GD in the mid 30s to low 40s, but thats alot later on in the game

Thats what im talking about! :) that is exactly the point, since you can start in thurgadin, and then go to warrens (a decision you will take if not soon at some point anyways) and voila! You have good faction with Erudin and Paineel guards! This isnt fair, speccialy since they can do the kobold paw quest, while good races cant do the dwarf head quest, and even go and sell stuff at Thurgadin merchant npc at the entrance.
I hope Wizzy understands.

[irme_]

I can see how it can be exploited by sombody higher lvl with the point blank AE, but you could do the exact same thing by running down a coupple tunnels in warrens. its a chance worth taking IMHO to put the faction back on the rogue dwarfs - it only makes sence to go along with the story/quests anyway.

[xavori]

I can see how it can be exploited by sombody higher lvl with the point blank AE, but you could do the exact same thing by running down a coupple tunnels in warrens. its a chance worth taking IMHO to put the faction back on the rogue dwarfs - it only makes sence to go along with the story/quests anyway.

yeah, its the same in both sides! you can do the same with an evil race or a good race, if you put back the faction thing of rogue shadow dwarfs again ;)

Hopefully Wizzy will post, and he will say that the faction is back! :hug:

[Mongrel]

I play good aligned characters and I liked it being hard to get good faction in Thurg. To me it makes sense that it's harder for a good char to get into an evil city than for an evil char to get into a good aligned city.

Then again, I also did the cabilis bone chips quest as a human quellious monk on live, which takes like ... oh ... only about 8000 bone chips or so :lol:

[xavori]

I play good aligned characters and I liked it being hard to get good faction in Thurg. To me it makes sense that it's harder for a good char to get into an evil city than for an evil char to get into a good aligned city.

Then again, I also did the cabilis bone chips quest as a human quellious monk on live, which takes like ... oh ... only about 8000 bone chips or so :lol:

Hard to get faction with Thurgadin? Its IMPOSSIBLE! :mad: That's why I've been asking for many days now to get this as it was before, with the rogue dwarfs giving good faction with Thurgadin, or if they dont, remove the good faction change with kobolds, so we are at the same lvl with evil races!

[Mongrel]

It's not impossible. I have a barb shammy, who starts out as threateningly and is now at apprehensively. I could get it higher with rogue heads, but apprehensively is good enough for me.

so we are at the same lvl with evil races!
From a roleplaying perspective, we shouldn't be.

[xavori]

It's not impossible. I have a barb shammy, who starts out as threateningly and is now at apprehensively. I could get it higher with rogue heads, but apprehensively is good enough for me.



Ok, I think that you really dont understand what im saying, because YOU CANT GET POSSITIVE FACTION NOW WITH THURGADIN'S NPCS!!!!!! Do I have to type in big words for you to understand? How on hell do you raise faction if the rogue dwarfs dont give you any?!! :mad: Dude, im talking about a low lvl character!

And by the way, if evil races can kill kobolds and get good faction with Erudin guards, why cant we have good faction with Thurgadin guards then?

[Wiz]

People who start in Erudin currently:

- Have more completed quests in the area.
- Have good faction with mobs such as treants.
- Have more classes in their starting area to group with.
- Only lose out faction-wise to a single area, which is Thurgadin.

People who start in Thurgadin:

- Have an easier time building Erudite GUARD faction, while cleric/druid/treant and such factions remain KOS.

It's all so unfair.

[xavori]

People who start in Erudin currently:

- Have more completed quests in the area.
- Have good faction with mobs such as treants.
- Have more classes in their starting area to group with.
- Only lose out faction-wise to a single area, which is Thurgadin.

People who start in Thurgadin:

- Have an easier time building Erudite GUARD faction, while cleric/druid/treant and such factions remain KOS.

It's all so unfair.

- More quests? They just kill kobolds and they can do the same thing with the faction gained from them.
- Good faction with treants? right, thats soooooooo important, as if I cant dodge treants...
- Classes to group with dont matter at low lvl
-people in Thurgadin have a vendor at the entrance before the city, and have the zone right next to the city in which you lvl from 5 to 11, not to mention the dwarfs heads you can turn in for exp and the shadow mail quest.


Sorry Wizzy, all your points really dont make sense to me, looks unfair to me still :o no offense. If you dont want to discuss the issue, leave it like it is now, I wont rant about it if you say that you wont change it :)

[Wiz]

- More quests? They just kill kobolds and they can do the same thing with the faction gained from them.
- Good faction with treants? right, thats soooooooo important, as if I cant dodge treants...
- Classes to group with dont matter at low lvl
-people in Thurgadin have a vendor at the entrance before the city, and have the zone right next to the city in which you lvl from 5 to 11, not to mention the dwarfs heads you can turn in for exp and the shadow mail quest.

- Wrong. Many of the quests require factions with the guilds, which killing kobolds does not get you.
- And having thurgadin faction is sooo important because?
- Neither does Thurgadin faction.
- There's a vendor at the druid ring.

[xavori]

- Wrong. Many of the quests require factions with the guilds, which killing kobolds does not get you.
- And having thurgadin faction is sooo important because?
- Neither does Thurgadin faction.
- There's a vendor at the druid ring.

Ok, I got your point now, no change then! :)
No hard feelings Mr Wizzy? :hug: ;)

[zodium]

Thurg faction is the easiest to raise in the end game, by the way. By far.

[xavori]

Thurg faction is the easiest to raise in the end game, by the way. By far.

How? :brow: With what mobs?

[Levi]

Try killing the cave Wyrms in GD

[Mongrel]

Ok, I think that you really dont understand what im saying, because YOU CANT GET POSSITIVE FACTION NOW WITH THURGADIN'S NPCS!!!!!! Do I have to type in big words for you to understand? How on hell do you raise faction if the rogue dwarfs dont give you any?!! Dude, im talking about a low lvl character!

You're wrong, that's all I have to say. Just because you don't know a way, doesn't mean that there isn't one.

[xavori]

You're wrong, that's all I have to say. Just because you don't know a way, doesn't mean that there isn't one.


Yeah, now I realize, but I was suggesting for a way for lvl level characters, I know that the wyrms give you good faction, but my point was with low lvl mobs... anyways, Im done arguing about it, Wizzy will leave it like that, it isnt that important I guess :)